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Post by Diet Kolos on Mar 12, 2022 12:14:28 GMT -5
I think if they waited another year there's a risk of a loss of "momentum". It had already been awhile since a very truncated and...uneven...Season 12. Another year would have a lot of potential fans and their money disappearing. And there was no guarantee that Covid would be over in "a year".
To be fair...they DID dial back how "remote" it was, if the first episode was any indication. The way they presented it in the KS looked DISASTROUS. They're at least doing the riffing with everyone in one room, thankfully. And they're not doing that Thunderbirds/Clutch Cargo nonsense they said they were going to. So...could be worse.
Now, as others and I have said...if they're doing this NEXT season...then we have a real problem.
Now...they raised 6.5 million. And they still were talking about how expensive it was to book studio time.
I maintain they need to get a dedicated, permanent studio of their own. Sublease warehouse space from someone. Put it in a central location. If this season is truly the end for the Netflix cast, then it makes even more sense and cheaper if it's in Philly with the rest of the Alternaversal offices. It'll be expensive to carve out studio space, but we know how much people are willing to give them. And renting studio space is where most of the money goes now anyways.
Cause that's been the issue since the beginning. Limited studio time made everything look rushed and messy in Seasons 11 & 12. And lack of real standing sets this season is a big issue.
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Post by kracker on Mar 12, 2022 17:57:09 GMT -5
That may be something they are working on. Obviously people are complaining most about the greenscreen and intro so that's the glaring issue. They may have been giving this way a shot to find it isn't working to people's satisfaction. These are the same people that made the Return so granted, they'd want actual studio space and sets again.
The episode is up now as a "rough cut" and is marked as a "screener". Disclaimer says some elements of the episode are still being finalized
Update says they are having trouble identifying the audio problems as not everyone is having the same issue. and there's a link provided for people to submit a survey.
They also set a public premiere date of May 6 with the soft launch period being 2 months.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Mar 12, 2022 19:48:55 GMT -5
You know, everyone keeps making covid excuses. If this was so hard, and what we see is the 'best' they could do, why didn't they just wait a year. Is Joel really that desperate for money? It's not like MST3K core fans were going anywhere. I know there's the idiom of 'better than nothing', but for a non-essential consumer product like an entertainment show, it's rarely true.No one has explained yet WHY the not good lighting on Felicia and Patton's segments, and the not good audio mix, and the not good at all green screen everywhere is due to COVID, just that "well, with COVID, they couldn't shoot the normal way." With the exception of the lighting on the small set for The Mads' segments, all of that can be tweaked and worked on in post production. Having a very small technical staff on hand during the shoots may explain the sound not being recorded correctly in the first place, or the lighting being off, but I'm more concerned about the post-production that is being done. Most of that can be worked on remotely, or individually, so COVID protocols aren't an issue. If one fan can create a still image of Felicia and Patton that has the lighting corrected and the green screen edges sharpened and cleaned up, then I can certainly hope that the professionals that Alternaversal has working can do that, as well.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Mar 12, 2022 19:52:03 GMT -5
Also, BoB3K, Jim Vorel asked the same question in his review of 1301: "One does sort of wonder what the impetus was to make the first episode of season 13 available NOW specifically, rather than waiting until various aspects of the Gizmoplex were complete and fully operational. It feels as if the show was under some kind of deadline that was unable to be altered, but we don’t know why that would be the case, given that MST3K is finally “independent.” If every bit of functionality in the Gizmoplex is intended to be working two months from now, why not just push back the premiere for Kickstarter backers by a few months? It’s hard to say without knowing the whole story, but it’s sure to irk at least some of the fans of the series." www.pastemagazine.com/comedy/mst3k/mst3k-season-13-review-santo-in-the-treasure-of-dracula-gizmoplex-issues/
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Post by kracker on Mar 12, 2022 20:29:06 GMT -5
well they didnt want to push back the premiere because then they would be cramming 13 episodes into 6 months. Or lemme put it this way: 25+ premiere events into 6 months. That's crazy. And they aint going to push the schedule so we get the Christmas episode next spring.
And then what happens if they did wait until summer and they encounter all the bugs and feedback they would have gotten with this public beta. Then it would be too late. You'd be stuck with things. I dont see how having this public beta so we can complain about things and they can catch things early and make a better final product is a bad thing.
Also you would seriously choose making backers wait a few more months rather than provide early access? that wouldnt go over well and i know what i would rather have.
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 12, 2022 20:40:28 GMT -5
There's another more coldly business reason they had to get this going soon. They couldn't start the timer on the KS 1-year memberships until they premiered something in the gizmoplex, cuz not until the year is up can they start asking for more money for the next season and subscription re-ups.
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Post by kracker on Mar 12, 2022 20:51:47 GMT -5
Isn't that essential to keeping the Gizmoplex going? You mock them over how are they going to make the Gizmoplex sustainable and when they make a very obvious business decision to help them do that, they become cold businessmen. Starting things now is already giving year-pass backers 3 months after Season 13 finishes airing, something's gotta give here.
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 13, 2022 1:38:11 GMT -5
I wasn't mocking them, I was just pointed out why they would start airing the 13 eps over a 12 month period sooner than later, even if they weren't quite done.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on Mar 13, 2022 5:48:57 GMT -5
As I said before a week or two ago: If they'd waited they'd have been roasted by a subset of fans who believe the entire new MST3K enterprise since the first Kickstarter is fundamentally scammy, questionable and in bad faith or just riddled with incompetence. I don't agree with any of that and think it's entirely irrational, but it's exactly what would happen. As kracker says, the reaction would be out there. So someone can damn them for showing the goods or they can damn them for showing them unfinished, but I don't think they can do both unless they're proceeding from a predetermined conclusion they are personally invested in.
The ep as it stands is a rough cut/beta provided to backers. I'm fine with that on its face, though I think they should be more explicit in that language and that process going forward in the ongoing release schedule.
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Post by kracker on Mar 13, 2022 11:11:03 GMT -5
I wasn't mocking them, I was just pointed out why they would start airing the 13 eps over a 12 month period sooner than later, even if they weren't quite done. LOL oh please you guys have been mocking them over the past 10 months since the KS launch over how the Gizmoplex wasn't going to be sustainable and how this wasn't going to work and how they weren't go to get any revenue in and how no subscriber money was going to come in and blah blah blah, but they can't make any kind of move to start getting revenue going soon enough without being money-motivated coldly calculated businessmen. So are they supposed to start getting money in sooner then later or fail? which is it here
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 13, 2022 11:17:41 GMT -5
The ep as it stands is a rough cut/beta provided to backers. I'm fine with that on its face, though I think they should be more explicit in that language and that process going forward in the ongoing release schedule. People on here keep calling it that, but I don't think they are, are they? They are definitely calling the gizmoplex a work-in-progess, but I think that ep is a finished product minus adding in the end credits, and then the whole audio thing is a viewer brought up issue. Someone correct me if I'm wrong or it actually is mentioned explicitly somewhere, but I'm guessing that when they passed out gizmoplex logins on Mar 2, that was the official date of KS backers getting and starting their year subscription. And the release schedule pretty much backs that up -- they've got the 13 movies spread over the next 10 months, giving them 2 months of wiggle room, and the KS year subscription will be up end of next February.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Mar 13, 2022 15:39:42 GMT -5
Over on the official forum, Ivan said today that the final version of 1301 will be available once the GizmoPlex opens to the public in May, so it sounds like what we currently have is not final.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Mar 13, 2022 15:59:33 GMT -5
I'm guessing that'll hold true for 1302/1303, too.
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Post by kracker on Mar 13, 2022 17:03:08 GMT -5
The ep as it stands is a rough cut/beta provided to backers. I'm fine with that on its face, though I think they should be more explicit in that language and that process going forward in the ongoing release schedule. People on here keep calling it that, but I don't think they are, are they? They are definitely calling the gizmoplex a work-in-progess, but I think that ep is a finished product minus adding in the end credits, and then the whole audio thing is a viewer brought up issue. Someone correct me if I'm wrong or it actually is mentioned explicitly somewhere, but I'm guessing that when they passed out gizmoplex logins on Mar 2, that was the official date of KS backers getting and starting their year subscription. And the release schedule pretty much backs that up -- they've got the 13 movies spread over the next 10 months, giving them 2 months of wiggle room, and the KS year subscription will be up end of next February. that is literally what they are calling it. like i said earlier, the update called it a rough cut, the video is marked as a pre-release screener, there's a disclaimer before the rough cut starts that states elements of the episode are still being finalized. They stated in the update that this is not a finished product and they are looking to fix problems in the episode before public release. KS year subscription will actually be up after March of next year since they gave year-backers an extra month during the KS campaign.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Mar 13, 2022 17:34:15 GMT -5
Hmm, I don't think my subscription runs through March, let me check what it says.
Do-Da-Le-Do-Da-Le-Do...
Ok, I'm back, here's what it says, underlining dates
GIZMOPLEX EVENT PASS: 12 Months Livestream tickets + streaming replay access to all GIZMOPLEX LIVESTREAM PREMIERES & EVENTS from MARCH 4, 2022 through FEB 28, 2023.
(Offered as a reward for the #MakeMoreMST3K Kickstarter.)
End in Feb - is that a mistake, will I get an extra month?
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