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Post by BoB3K on Mar 8, 2022 1:07:04 GMT -5
might take a little longer as they are trying to figure out the sound level issues. There's something going on, but there doesn't seem to be a consensus among viewers about how severe it was. That's really sad. Riffing audio mixing has been around for years. Any halfway decent audio engineer should know about compression and ducking. I HATE when the riffs are louder than the movie. I'm watching a movie WITH the riffers, not listening to a DVD commentary over top the movie. The movie should be level with the riffing, and even louder in loud scenes, with compression and ducking used to let the riffs punch in when needed.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 8, 2022 1:51:28 GMT -5
might take a little longer as they are trying to figure out the sound level issues. There's something going on, but there doesn't seem to be a consensus among viewers about how severe it was. That's really sad. Riffing audio mixing has been around for years. Any halfway decent audio engineer should know about compression and ducking. I HATE when the riffs are louder than the movie. I'm watching a movie WITH the riffers, not listening to a DVD commentary over top the movie. The movie should be level with the riffing, and even louder in loud scenes, with compression and ducking used to let the riffs punch in when needed. bases on the poll on the main forum it seems that folks like me who had that problem have it on home theater systems with multiple channels.. folks listening to stereo mixes on their headphones or whatever don't seem to have the problem as bad. The mads are back are bad at this too. Perhaps they don't know how to mix it for multichannel systems? Or all of us with home theater systems can change our settings to improve it. Regardless I am glad they are taking it seriously. I gave up on the mads are back for this reason. I hope we get some answers.. either on their end or ways to tweak our systems on our end.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on Mar 8, 2022 2:20:14 GMT -5
The sponsor ads are part and parcel of independent production, same with most podcasts or other online ventures. They've just woven them in with the characters mid-show like the Golden Age of Television. I think that's endearing. And let's not forget that the show isn't a stranger to shilling products. Who could forget this timeless classic? That swarthy mad scientist could get it.
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 8, 2022 2:38:14 GMT -5
I gave up on the mads are back for this reason. I think the biggest problem for the Mads is Frank's occasional yelling delivery. It makes me laugh how "bad" his delivery can be sometimes. But I love Frank. Just don't yell as much. (But yes, real answer, let Frank yell all he wants. Hipster Gersbeck needs to learn about audio compression too.)
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Post by demoniclambertobava on Mar 8, 2022 2:42:10 GMT -5
For me the divide has always been character-oriented vs. performer. There are things I'll accept, say, Frank doing as TV's Frank and things I find more obnoxious when it's just the performer. To me the most egregious example is Bill Corbett. I really enjoyed Corbett's Crow, but a little Corbett-as-Corbett just being really dark or nasty on RT goes a long way for me. Crow could only be so nasty, and that was a buffer zone.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Mar 8, 2022 2:52:46 GMT -5
With the Mads I'm giving up on watching them live and will just wait for the download, which usually corrects audio issues and other screw ups (like the time Trace's audio disappeared during a short).
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Post by Diet Kolos on Mar 8, 2022 7:31:25 GMT -5
To me it sounds like everyone just needs to consult MST's original professional audio mixer, Tom Naunas. I bought a bunch of BBI vault tapes off him a few years ago. He did the sound for their live shows and the movie, but he also occasionally drove in from his full time job at the Madison PBS station to consult with their editor on sound mix for the episodes.
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Post by dudehitscar on Mar 8, 2022 9:15:38 GMT -5
To me it sounds like everyone just needs to consult MST's original professional audio mixer, Tom Naunas. I bought a bunch of BBI vault tapes off him a few years ago. He did the sound for their live shows and the movie, but he also occasionally drove in from his full time job at the Madison PBS station to consult with their editor on sound mix for the episodes. this has me thinking.. doesn't this show have fans that are 'in the industry'.. certainly some audio engineer with a lot of credentials would reach out to them and confirm what a lot of fans are saying and offer to help.. or maybe it's just that we all upgraded to home theaters in the pandemic and we have no idea how to set them up. I'm open to that being a big factor. I just want a solution and be able to give that solution to others (especially backers) who need it.
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 8, 2022 11:59:22 GMT -5
With the Mads I'm giving up on watching them live and will just wait for the download, which usually corrects audio issues and other screw ups (like the time Trace's audio disappeared during a short). I never watch them live even when I watch the feed. I will tune in later that night and YouTube lets you start the feed up buffered (so you know, already fancier than what MST3K is doing) But, I agree with you, and I don't even do that now, i just get the download which they are very good at having the very next day. That most recent shorts one or whatever where they were joking afterwards about Trace having no audio for part of it, I didn't even notice cuz I was watching the next day download and apparently they had just swapped in rehearsal audio.
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Post by tvsfrank on Mar 8, 2022 13:00:02 GMT -5
I hope the commercials won’t be in the physical copies. We already pointed out how the commercials wouldnt be in physical copies Thanks for pointing out that you already pointed it out. Super duper great of you.
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Post by giantservo on Mar 8, 2022 13:00:24 GMT -5
That's really sad. Riffing audio mixing has been around for years. Any halfway decent audio engineer should know about compression and ducking. I HATE when the riffs are louder than the movie. I'm watching a movie WITH the riffers, not listening to a DVD commentary over top the movie. The movie should be level with the riffing, and even louder in loud scenes, with compression and ducking used to let the riffs punch in when needed. bases on the poll on the main forum it seems that folks like me who had that problem have it on home theater systems with multiple channels.. folks listening to stereo mixes on their headphones or whatever don't seem to have the problem as bad. The mads are back are bad at this too. Perhaps they don't know how to mix it for multichannel systems? Or all of us with home theater systems can change our settings to improve it. Regardless I am glad they are taking it seriously. I gave up on the mads are back for this reason. I hope we get some answers.. either on their end or ways to tweak our systems on our end. I can only speak to how The Mads' livestreams work - the riffs are all performed completely live so there is bound to be some overlap or volume mishaps that are out of our control. And with Streamyard (the platform we use to put the shows on), there is currently no way to add audio compression or ducking that would allow the movie volume to lower when the riffs are spoken. If someone is able to develop something that can do this for us live, we will certainly look into it. As far as I know, there is no consumer-level option to do this. That said, the download of the show that goes out the next day is fully mixed, compressed, etc. so that it sounds much more balanced, the movie isn't too low, the riffs aren't too loud, etc.. You're sitting in on a live recording for just $10 - it ain't gonna be perfect I hope all can make it to the live-riff of THE DEVIL'S HAND tonight. It's gonna be a good one!
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Post by BoB3K on Mar 8, 2022 13:38:07 GMT -5
I know they have live ducking, I have random gear in my basement that does it for DJing AP systems. I'm also pretty sure many mix boards have compression filters among other live filters. It sounds to me like you need to get in touch with / do some research with people that mix for live bands.
Oh also-- Hi! Welcome to our boards! You imply that you work with dumb industries or in some other way with The Mads. Want to introduce yourself? I do have my ticket bought for Devil's Hand.
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Post by giantservo on Mar 8, 2022 13:49:39 GMT -5
This is Chris here. Hi!
Live ducking does exist and I have gear for that kind of stuff too - but in order to utilize it for a livestream, we would need to send out the audio/video (in perfect sync) from our Streamyard broadcast studio to a compressor and then back to a separate Streamyard broadcast studio to send the video with the mixed audio to YouTube. Believe me, we have looked into it and tested. It's not feasible for us. We always end up with a slight delay that ruins the flow of the entire show.
We have gotten much better at balancing Trace & Frank's audio during the recording however. And Frank uses a headset now so he is always equal distance from his mic. The yelling thing isn't much of an issue anymore.
Anyway, hope to see you tonight!
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Post by Megalon on Mar 9, 2022 13:34:04 GMT -5
I've now seen the intro and I can say without a doubt that I don't like it.
Surprisingly, most of the criticism is leveled at the cheap CGI, which I'll agree is cheap looking, but that doesn't bother me as much as just how static the whole thing is. It's a stationary camera and a single shot of the Mads' laboratory. No shots of movies. No shots of Jonah repairing the bots. No shots of upcoming sketches. No shots of anything, really. It's just so static and uninteresting, and it doesn't bring the SOL to life the way the old intros did.
Oh, and Baron's singing... aaaargh.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Mar 9, 2022 15:22:17 GMT -5
There were some clips of the Santo movie in the opening, similar to how little bits of each movie were shown during the Netflix credits.
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