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Post by dudehitscar on Apr 14, 2022 23:25:32 GMT -5
Except the year they were made.
Discuss.
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Post by comedyc on Apr 15, 2022 17:41:08 GMT -5
Robot Wars cared, Atlantic Rim did not.
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Post by dudehitscar on Apr 16, 2022 16:53:36 GMT -5
Robot Wars cared, Atlantic Rim did not. strong disagree.. it's exactly the same bs. |
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Post by pufncraft on Apr 16, 2022 17:25:07 GMT -5
Based on the "Videozone" behind the scenes documentary, it seems like the makers of Robot Wars tried to make a good movie. Or at the very least an entertaining one. youtu.be/wuJP_jkUkYY |
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Post by dudehitscar on Apr 17, 2022 13:30:52 GMT -5
Based on the "Videozone" behind the scenes documentary, it seems like the makers of Robot Wars tried to make a good movie. Or at the very least an entertaining one. youtu.be/wuJP_jkUkYYYes I remember the corporate propaganda puff pieces that were the full moon videozone series. Hope we get a lot more full moon craptastic movies in the future. Maybe trancers 5! So much riffing potential around a character named Jack 'deth'.. pronounced death. I also have a soft spot for doll man vs the demonic toys. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 13:47:42 GMT -5
I haven't seen "Robot Wars." But even if it's somehow worse on every conceivable technical level than "Atlantic Rim" (which would be quite a feat), at the very least, it looks like it'd be a much more aesthetically appealing movie. "Atlantic Rim" was one of the ugliest and most aurally aggressive movies I've ever had the displeasure of watching (even if only on MST3K).
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Post by dudehitscar on Apr 17, 2022 16:55:23 GMT -5
I haven't seen "Robot Wars." But even if it's somehow worse on every conceivable technical level than "Atlantic Rim" (which would be quite a feat), at the very least, it looks like it'd be a much more aesthetically appealing movie. "Atlantic Rim" was one of the ugliest and most aurally aggressive movies I've ever had the displeasure of watching (even if only on MST3K). do you think final sacrifice or red zone cuba s a more aesthetically appealing movie than atlantic rim? just trying to understand your perspective. |
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Post by Mighty Jack on Apr 18, 2022 0:54:52 GMT -5
Let's go down the checklist and see what they share in common...
(with SPOILERS)
* Robots... check
* Monsters... nope
* Loathsome lead hero you just want to kick in the nuts... check
* Female lead who inexplicably slept or eventually sleeps with loathsome person... check
* Heroic character(s) who say funny(?) catch-phrasy things for riffers and fans to latch onto and repeat, like, "Rooty Toot Toot" or "Bull Butter"... check
* Villainous character(s) who says funny(?) things for riffers and fans to latch onto and repeat, like "Peekaboo, I kill you"... nope
* Scored under a 5.0 at IMDB... check
* Made by an independent American film company... check
On a personal note
Rim is the worse movie of the two, but it features stronger, funnier riffing.
Rim has Graham Greene (who I like), but Robot has Barbara Crampton (who I like)
Robot generally has more competent acting, while Rim has several who make you chuckle over their line readings.
However, Robot does have a character who panics and falls out a robot.
Winner?
Robot Wars as a movie / Atlantic Rim for the riffing - but since I watched the MST-versions for the laughs, I'll place the crown on Rim's giant robot head.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 12:08:14 GMT -5
do you think final sacrifice or red zone cuba s a more aesthetically appealing movie than atlantic rim? just trying to understand your perspective. Why does this feel like a loaded question? lol The short of it: Yes, I'm more interested in Red Zone Cuba on a purely visual level than I am Atlantic Rim. Jury's out on Final Sacrifice. Frankly, it's hard for me to give a fair answer for a number of reasons. For one thing, I've only seen any of those movies in the context of MST3K. Atlantic Rim has an unfair advantage there, however, as its MST3K episode used an HD master. On the other hand, I'm a bit more familiar with Cuba and Sacrifice since I've seen those episodes several times. (I've only seen Atlantic Rim once, and that was when it was just released on Netflix.) That said, I'm not sure immaculate high definition remasters of The Final Sacrifice or Red Zone Cuba would matter so much since both strike me as intentionally desolate movies, especially Cuba. Also, being so cheaply produced, there obviously were shortcuts taken resulting in deficiencies in production. While some of the compositions in RZC are interesting (sometimes almost "striking"), that doesn't necessarily equate to good photography. Case in point, IMO, none of the interior-shot footage in RZC is in any way appealing, either in how the sets are dressed or in the way Francis and his DP shot them. Cuba was shot monochrome on 35mm in rural California. On the most basic of levels, all of those attributes are inherently more appealing to me than the digitally shot, unsaturated, urban imagery of Atlantic Rim. Final Sacrifice falls somewhere in the middle, I guess. It's very difficult to judge the color from the video master MST used (although I imagine in unfaded color and hi-def resolution it's probably still a drab palette), and the wintery Canadian locations are just more depressing than the RZC locations (maybe not by much). As for audio, IMO all three are pretty wretched (each for different reasons). I don't want to go into it in too much detail (and I've already said too much), but I'll say that, of these three movies, Red Zone Cuba best represents a period of independent, non-Hollywood filmmaking that most interests me. That doesn't mean I like the movie (I don't) or think it's all that well-made (it isn't), just that it's of a mode that's in some ways very appealing to me. |
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Post by dudehitscar on Apr 18, 2022 15:32:35 GMT -5
do you think final sacrifice or red zone cuba s a more aesthetically appealing movie than atlantic rim? just trying to understand your perspective. Why does this feel like a loaded question? lol You fell for my trap!!!! haha. I was just curious. edit: to elaborate on why I mentioned those two films... when I think of absolutely ugly movies to the point of it being painful to look at I think of those two films (there are others but those are fan favorites that stand out in that way). Atlantic Rim's look and sound doesn't even register as ugly looking/sounding compared to those. I don't think I have the natural aversion against digital that a lot of MST3K fans seem to have. Nor do I have a general nostalgic love of stop motion effects like a lot of folks have and mention in their reviews of Robot Wars. It's not Nightmare before christmas.. the stop motion in Robot Wars strikes me as minimal effort dullness in the same way the CGI does in Atlantic Rim. Just different eras. But neither of them offend me visually like Red Zone Cuba does.. lol. |
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