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Post by kracker on Aug 11, 2023 21:15:01 GMT -5
Yeah, you guys are misunderstanding the email to try to get your sweet fix of delicious schadenfreude. The virtual theater feature is down while it gets an overhaul not the gizmoplex. What I find depressing isn't the closure, it's the confirmation that they don't have any content in the pipeline for the near future. If Joel wants to turn MST3k into a profitable business, then he needs to take a page from RiffTrax's book and put out regular content -- full episodes or live events at least once per month (once per week would be ideal). The current business model doesn't seem feasible to me in the long-run. The show feels like it's on life-support. You mean as opposed to 3-5 years ago when the Netflix partnership went south and the show was essentially cancelled and dead in the water?
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Post by kmorgan on Aug 15, 2023 14:19:36 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure the strike is having an effect on things. I'm willing to wait and see what develops.
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Post by kracker on Aug 15, 2023 18:39:43 GMT -5
well when that last strike loomed, they said it wasn't going to affect anything. Also the strike isn't affecting everyone. Indie studios, like A24, and any production that is WGA and SAG compliant are still able to move forward with projects.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Aug 16, 2023 1:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by BoB3K on Aug 17, 2023 0:50:57 GMT -5
You know, I wrote code for companies for 25 years. And I got paid for it. Do you know how much I make now from that code? nothing. why do these people think they should get paid perpetually for a few hours/days of work? No other jobs work like that.
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Post by kracker on Aug 17, 2023 3:44:10 GMT -5
You know, I wrote code for companies for 25 years. And I got paid for it. Do you know how much I make now from that code? nothing. why do these people thing they should get paid perpetually for a few hours/days of work? No other jobs work like that. Then patent your code so you earn royalties on licensing it out. Or form a flapjacksing union. This is why we have them btw. And all jobs don't have to work the same. Some artistic jobs get royalties. An example, if I design or paint something for someone as a job, the painting is theirs, i just painted it and get a lump sum. But if I design something unique and new and copyright it then, people have to pay me everytime its used, they are licensing it out for a lower sum instead. When it comes to actors though: Other movie crew jobs, they can work on a hundred movies all year but actors can't. Actors need a pay model where they don't have to constantly act all year, you know, so you don't wind up seeing the same actor in every show on your Sunday lineup. otherwise you have not-so-famous actors that wind up having to bus tables while getting bothered for selfies just to make ends meet. Currently you have actors that starred in TV shows that ran for many seasons, but get royalty checks that arent worth the paper they are printed on and they have to issue them just for accounting purposes. This is because not only are these residuals low to begin with but studios get around them when shows move to a new medium thats not in their current standard contracts (broadcast tv -> cable -> DVD/Bluray -> and now streaming) so they no longer have to pay those residuals. Just so they have a little bit more money to make a few more crappy shows you aren't going to watch and they are just going to cancel anyway but could use the content to help fill out their Recommended menu and help them in the streaming wars. btw even if you could continue to make money from code you wrote for a company 25 years ago, you'd still make nothing since such a vast majority of code gets replaced by newer code, written by someone else, all the time. So much as a software update could wipe out your residuals lol. Your work, my work, is replaceable. But there is only one Robert DeNiro. "But they have caused considerable backlash within the union, as some members felt they undermined the strike’s overall impact." Well poopie, another example of why we can't have nice things. The indie projects actually helped the strikes because it showed that if these indie studios can pay their actors and writers, then so could the billion-dollar ones.
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Post by BoB3K on Aug 17, 2023 12:01:41 GMT -5
Then patent your code so you earn royalties on licensing it out. It doesn't matter whether it's patented, it matters who I wrote it for. I think you mean, I could form my own company and sell my coding services myself. Of course I could, just like an actor or writer could finance and create their own tv show / movie. Right, just like old tv shows and movies get 'replaced' by new ones being made all the time. New ones being acted in and written by new writers and actors. None of your comments actually show a differentiation for why an actor or writer should get some kind of perpetual pay for specific work done when virtually no other job profession does.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Aug 17, 2023 14:28:55 GMT -5
You know, I wrote code for companies for 25 years. And I got paid for it. Do you know how much I make now from that code? nothing. why do these people think they should get paid perpetually for a few hours/days of work? No other jobs work like that. Because they signed a contract saying they get paid for it. Because the studios are happy to pay less up front for residuals that may never come to fruition. You’re making an argument that not even the studios are making. They’re just arguing about the amount. We don’t agree on everything MST3K related, but on this matter? You’re ill-informed and wrong.
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Post by kracker on Aug 17, 2023 17:30:50 GMT -5
It doesn't matter whether it's patented, it matters who I wrote it for. I think you mean, I could form my own company and sell my coding services myself. Of course I could, just like an actor or writer could finance and create their own tv show / movie. Yes, it does flapjacksing matter, I just explained it. I get a commission to paint a portrait for someone, its theirs, they own it, they paid for it. And yea you could form your own company and sell coding services yourself but they own the code, they paid for it, its a service you provided. You wanna make "i get a piece of your profits, for coding for you" part of the deal then they're going to say "well f**k you, we'll have someone else do the exact same coding job in exchange for simply getting paid well for it". You want to make money off your code in perpetuity, you patent it as a piece of software and people will pay for a license to use it themselves or in a piece of software they are selling themselves and giving you a piece of their licensing fee. Actors and writers finance and create their own tv shows and movies all the time. And it gives them the additional role, credit and royalties of a PRODUCER. Right, just like old tv shows and movies get 'replaced' by new ones being made all the time. New ones being acted in and written by new writers and actors. None of your comments actually show a differentiation for why an actor or writer should get some kind of perpetual pay for specific work done when virtually no other job profession does. I just explained it plenty. You just don't want to listen. And I thought we were just talking about actors but WRITERS? seriously? A writer writes a novel and you don't understand the fact that he gets it published and he gets royalties from every copy sold (depends what is in the publishing deal. some authors probably take a flat book deal). Same with writing a play, a movie, or a TV show. They get royalties. There's plenty of job professions that involve them. lol "virtually no other job", you ever heard of a musician? You're on an MST3K board arguing that people don't watch old TV shows. They dont get replaced, people still watch them. Did the latest season of MST3K replace all the 90's seasons, is that what you are saying? People still watch Friends and Fraiser and Netflix pays millions to put it on their platform. If it gets streams, the writers and main actors get a piece of the streaming revenue. Code, however, becomes obsolete. Nobody goes back to old code that won't work with today's current operating system and is vulnerable to today's exploit methods. Because of that, coders will always have jobs to make new code but there will never be another season of Friends for an actor to continue working on.
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Post by davidbeegah on Aug 18, 2023 19:36:21 GMT -5
I just got my ship notice for the season 13 DVD's. I thought this might be it this morning. When I checked my USPS Informed Delivery account. There as a "Label Created" Notification from Louisville, Kentucky. Now about 15 minutes ago I get the MST3K your package has shipped notification. Season 13 DVD's should be here on by Tuesday. But no more kickstarter for me.
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Post by kracker on Sept 14, 2023 23:30:34 GMT -5
Update on my shipping situation: I had to do a follow-up email (gave it a month) but they said they would take $9 off the shipping for leaving out the concession pack and poster. Feel like shipping those items really should have cost more but given, once again, that someone on the forum told me i wasnt going to adjust rewards so I went ahead and paid, i wasn't in any position to negotiate. It might possible that they were going to be shipping items inside the concession kit, that popcorn bucket.
But FYI, you can leave out those larger sized rewards that came with the reward tiers to bring down that high shipping rate
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Post by mylungswereaching on Sept 15, 2023 11:16:22 GMT -5
Then patent your code so you earn royalties on licensing it out. It doesn't matter whether it's patented, it matters who I wrote it for. I think you mean, I could form my own company and sell my coding services myself. Of course I could, just like an actor or writer could finance and create their own tv show / movie. Right, just like old tv shows and movies get 'replaced' by new ones being made all the time. New ones being acted in and written by new writers and actors. None of your comments actually show a differentiation for why an actor or writer should get some kind of perpetual pay for specific work done when virtually no other job profession does. What if you took a job coding and signed a contract where they paid you minimum wage for coding but you got paid a certain amount every year if they kept using the code. You make a decent living. Then they change the rules. They no longer will keep paying you if they keep using your code but when you ask for a raise they say no. You look for another job but all coding jobs work the same way. A lot of artistic things work this way. Bands who made an album get paid every time a record or cd was bought or played on the radio. They weren't just paid once. Professional photographers are paid every time their pictures used.
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Post by kracker on Sept 16, 2023 6:56:01 GMT -5
There's a huge distinct difference between coding and art. There is no "keep using your code". As a teacher put it to me once: code is not gold, it is produce. Produce goes bad and needs to be refreshed. Code continually needs to be updated. If you did sign some kind of royalty contract for your code you wrote, guess what: that code and thus your royalties are going to be GONE next year when someone else has to rewrite or update your code to work with the new versions of Windows and Mac. You really think companies are using the same code originally written to work with Windows 98?? What if you took a job coding and signed a contract where they paid you minimum wage for coding but you got paid a certain amount every year if they kept using the code. You make a decent living. You CAN sign a contract where you get paid a certain amount every year if they keep using code you wrote and they can't change the rules on you. You can do that now. Its called a license. You patent your code and people have to pay you and you make the rules on how you are paid and what they can do with your code. The catch is: it is YOU who has to continually update YOUR code to make sure it works with the latest systems and release those updates. If you don't, they stop licensing your software. Many coders have quit their coding jobs and done this. Hell, I've even worked for someone for a few years who quit his coding job to code his own licensed game engine . But what you are asking for, thats how to you do it, and its because code constantly needs to be rewritten, these days on a yearly basis. However Art is gold, it doesnt change. It never gets rewritten. People are watching the same Godfather movie they did 50 years ago. There may be Director's cut additions, but not one scene or piece of dialogue is replaced or updated. Its the same movie and only appreciates with time. It is gold. Same with MST3K episodes, we are watching the same episodes that were originally first aired back in the 90's and not one joke, not one frame has changed. And they just get appreciated more with time. Meanwhile, all that code that Bob up there wrote while those episodes aired, gone, obsolete, erased from existence. It's like yea, its been over 10 years since you used any of the code I wrote but keep paying money because......? A lot of artistic things work this way. Bands who made an album get paid every time a record or cd was bought or played on the radio. They weren't just paid once. Professional photographers are paid every time their pictures used. You know why Bands who made an album get paid every time a record or cd was bought or played on the radio? You know why that works that way? Because the album doesn't change or get replaced. The Dark Side of the Moon is the same album you heard 50 years ago, not one note or lyric gets replaced or updated by another artist. Btw this is why Taylor Swift is having to re-record all her albums. She is actually updating and replacing all her original albums just so she can own them and make money off them again.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Sept 16, 2023 9:36:27 GMT -5
There's a huge distinct difference between coding and art. There is no "keep using your code". As a teacher put it to me once: code is not gold, it is produce. Produce goes bad and needs to be refreshed. Code continually needs to be updated. If you did sign some kind of royalty contract for your code you wrote, guess what: that code and thus your royalties are going to be GONE next year when someone else has to rewrite or update your code to work with the new versions of Windows and Mac. You really think companies are using the same code originally written to work with Windows 98?? What if you took a job coding and signed a contract where they paid you minimum wage for coding but you got paid a certain amount every year if they kept using the code. You make a decent living. You CAN sign a contract where you get paid a certain amount every year if they keep using code you wrote and they can't change the rules on you. You can do that now. Its called a license. You patent your code and people have to pay you and you make the rules on how you are paid and what they can do with your code. The catch is: it is YOU who has to continually update YOUR code to make sure it works with the latest systems and release those updates. If you don't, they stop licensing your software. Many coders have quit their coding jobs and done this. Hell, I've even worked for someone for a few years who quit his coding job to code his own licensed game engine . But what you are asking for, thats how to you do it, and its because code constantly needs to be rewritten, these days on a yearly basis. However Art is gold, it doesnt change. It never gets rewritten. People are watching the same Godfather movie they did 50 years ago. There may be Director's cut additions, but not one scene or piece of dialogue is replaced or updated. Its the same movie and only appreciates with time. It is gold. Same with MST3K episodes, we are watching the same episodes that were originally first aired back in the 90's and not one joke, not one frame has changed. And they just get appreciated more with time. Meanwhile, all that code that Bob up there wrote while those episodes aired, gone, obsolete, erased from existence. It's like yea, its been over 10 years since you used any of the code I wrote but keep paying money because......? A lot of artistic things work this way. Bands who made an album get paid every time a record or cd was bought or played on the radio. They weren't just paid once. Professional photographers are paid every time their pictures used. You know why Bands who made an album get paid every time a record or cd was bought or played on the radio? You know why that works that way? Because the album doesn't change or get replaced. The Dark Side of the Moon is the same album you heard 50 years ago, not one note or lyric gets replaced or updated by another artist. Btw this is why Taylor Swift is having to re-record all her albums. She is actually updating and replacing all her original albums just so she can own them and make money off them again. So movies don't change? Han Solo shot first. Star Trek TOS had new animation added a few years years ago. And this is going to get worse with AI. Movie's and TV shows will change at the whim of the new owners. That's one of the thing the writers are fighting for. Want to change an anti war movie into a pro war movie, sure that's easy.
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Post by kracker on Sept 16, 2023 11:12:28 GMT -5
The originals still exist. And special editions, bastardizations don't erase the value of the original.
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