News in the USA?

[marytrobot]

Does it go something like this?
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[colemanfrancisfan]

Bah, I never watch the news, it's all boring. I watch the fake news shows, way funnier. Like the Daily Show, news on the Howard Stern Show, stuff like that.

[Gemini Man]

Yep. The Daily Show seems just as reliable as CNN to me.

[yousonuva]

Well, I don't usually read the political stuff in the paper, but this morning's had a very interesting article by that guy who's got that new book about the path to this Iraq, Bob Woodard. (of the famed Bob Woodward &
Carl Bernstein who blew the whistle on watergate made even more famous from the movie "All The President's Men")
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25550-2004Apr19.html
(you'll have to register, but it's free)

Of course I hold a lot of judgement back when ever someone states their opinon as to not get all influenced by another's view, but this article really makes the Pres. look more controlled than I ever thought (even though at the end of the article he tries to make up to all the 'read between the lines' knocks against Bush) by other people's decisions and makes me like Colin Powell a little more....actually I never thought much about Powell before.

Check it out. (a bit long but very intersting)

[CherokeeJack]

No bias in the media is like no milk in cows.

[Mr. Atari]

MaTRo, that's a sticky question.
There is bias in the American media, but to which side it is biased all depends on whom you ask.

Those who want to criticize Iraq and/or Bush would say the media is just like that comic strip- hiding the facts.

Others would say that the folks making the most press these days are so-called "whistle blowers" like Richard Clarke, who criticize Bush in print just to sell more books.

I think the reality is somewhere in between. But I would say there's more airtime and ink in the media devoted to criticizing Bush in recent months than supporting him. I don't know if that represents a bias or not, but The Boondocks doesn't exactly represent an objective viewpoint.

And that comic was drawn in 2002. It probably was more accurate then. Recently, criticizing Bush has become the cool thing to do.

[CherokeeJack]

sampo said:

And that comic was drawn in 2002. It probably was more accurate then. Recently, criticizing Bush has become the cool thing to do.

I wouldn't call critizing a liar a fad.

[TomServo69]

CherokeeJack said:

I wouldn't call critizing a liar a fad.

A liar? What, just because he said something about WMD? He's doing a damn good job. Better than "Hey, let's get together, act like we're in touch, and criticize the machine.

To hell with it. But, before I go, are any of you that argue even of legal age to vote, wherever you are, etc. etc.

Have you Democrats seen more of Kerry than I have? Or are you guys just voting for him because he's not George W.?

And, not to say you guys do, but, I've talked to several people who use that as their reason not to vote.

It's sad that people just vote just in the hope the other guy wins.

These people know no facts and never will.

Screw them though! I don't support peeps no more!

Servo

[CherokeeJack]

TomServo69 said:

A liar? What, just because he said something about WMD? He's doing a damn good job. Better than "Hey, let's get together, act like we're in touch, and criticize the machine.

To hell with it. But, before I go, are any of you that argue even of legal age to vote, wherever you are, etc. etc.

Have you Democrats seen more of Kerry than I have? Or are you guys just voting for him because he's not George W.?

And, not to say you guys do, but, I've talked to several people who use that as their reason not to vote.

It's sad that people just vote just in the hope the other guy wins.

These people know no facts and never will.

Screw them though! I don't support peeps no more!

Servo

peeps are only marshmellows, dont bash'em.

And I dont understand why lying about war isn't a big deal. I know we have ran circles around the subject.

This post is about the news and I'll give some examples of crap they dish out or "spin tactics", whatever:

"First, can we stop the Orwellian language and start using the proper names for things? Those are not “contractors” in Iraq. They are not there to fix a roof or to pour concrete in a driveway. They are MERCENARIES and SOLDIERS OF FORTUNE. They are there for the money, and the money is very good if you live long enough to spend it.

Halliburton is not a "company" doing business in Iraq. It is a WAR PROFITEER, bilking millions from the pockets of average Americans. In past wars they would have been arrested -- or worse. "

Oh yeah, the Clinton adminstration didn't give bush a plan according to Rice, but "a list of actionable objectives" which Im sure we all heard about on the daily show.

The government controls the media and as long as a government is in power with the reforms which we have, they will continue to abuse it to the best of their abilities. Im going into mass-comunications they teach you this in college. If you want the best "non-biased" news read/watch the BBC or another forgien paper. Just make sure you dont put anti-american statements in it or the US will take it down.

RANT ZONE (off topic):

The best way to support america is to help it's enviroment (extrenal and internal), not war with distant countries. People hate others because of the way they and we live. Improve their ways of life, not shoot them. How can you force a government on a people when it is by the people?

blah blah blah.

The easiest way is always the worst.

[CherokeeJack]

oh yeah, I've listened to Kerry. I've listened to Bush. Kerry is the better pick.

yes, I can vote. I voted for Gore in 2000. Voted for the TN lottery and voted for Wes Clark in the primaries.

[colemanfrancisfan]

I'm of age too, I'm gonna vote for Kerry, I saw him on Meet the Press and he came off as a very apt candidate. I never liked Bush because he lied about the war, he doesn't answer questions, he goes on vacation every month, he depends on Dick Cheney to do his job, he wants to tie church with state, he wants to reform the airwaves way too much, he has ties with Clearchannel so you can't say anything contrary about him, he is using 9/11 as a way to get people to vote for him which is despicable, and he's a coward for not going to the Vietnam war like Kerry had to, and I wish we never had to go to any wars. Is that enough reason not to vote for the guy?

[Mr. Atari]

colemanfrancisfan2 said:

I'm of age too, I'm gonna vote for Kerry, I saw him on Meet the Press and he came off as a very apt candidate. I never liked Bush because he lied about the war, he doesn't answer questions, he goes on vacation every month, he depends on Dick Cheney to do his job, he wants to tie church with state, he wants to reform the airwaves way too much, he has ties with Clearchannel so you can't say anything contrary about him, he is using 9/11 as a way to get people to vote for him which is despicable, and he's a coward for not going to the Vietnam war like Kerry had to, and I wish we never had to go to any wars. Is that enough reason not to vote for the guy?

By my count, there's a grand total of one thing in that list you can substantiate. And it's your first statement about Meet the Press, which is entirely subjective. However, a subjective opinion is certainly enough reason to vote for whom you want. It's the beauty of the system.

Rock the vote.

By the way, Cherokee- I absolutely agree with your rant about Orwellian language. However, there are some American companies that aren't profiteering, but rather are contracted by the government to help in the rebuilding process (and don't have any ties to Cheney). I have a friend who is a graphic designer with a company who has contracts in Iraq. I assure you, he is neither a profiteer nor a mercenary.#nosmileys#nosmileys

[lemminkimmen]

sampo said:

By my count, there's a grand total of one thing in that list you can substantiate. And it's your first statement about Meet the Press, which is entirely subjective. However, a subjective opinion is certainly enough reason to vote for whom you want. It's the beauty of the system.

Rock the vote.

By the way, Cherokee- I absolutely agree with your rant about Orwellian language. However, there are some American companies that aren't profiteering, but rather are contracted by the government to help in the rebuilding process (and don't have any ties to Cheney). I have a friend who is a graphic designer with a company who has contracts in Iraq. I assure you, he is neither a profiteer nor a mercenary.

Sampo-
Have you listened to W speak?

I do not understand how seemingly intelligent folks(Servo69 excluded, of course) can continue to back this guy-he often comes off sounding like an idiot-
Did you see how he answered some of those questions last week?

Incredible.

Just my opinion, of course-(Except for the Servo bit-that is a fact that has been documented in the "failed career" thread)-you go teacher!!

[Mr. Atari]

Sure I've listened to the man speak. He's about as inarticulate as it gets. But get him talking about something he's passionate about, and he's golden. In fact, the more polished a politician is with the press, the more I wonder if he's being insincere. On my list of characteristics needed to be a good leader, being concise while speaking off the cuff is pretty low on the list.

Qualifications higher on my list are things like: having personal convictions, standing by them in times of trial, strong foreign policy, creative domestic policy, not playing to the polls, loyalty, and integrity. Bush doesn't have a perfect score on all of these, but he's doing a better job on them than he often gets credit for.

[colemanfrancisfan]

But what about him setting back the economy, which was very good during Clinton's years? And how can you justify his war in Iraq? No WMDs anywhere, and we still haven't found Bin Laden in Afghanistan. He even safely deported Bin Laden's family after the attacks. What's his reason for that?