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Post by Blackmarket Jazz on Oct 18, 2005 9:12:07 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been asked before as well, but I was just curious.
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Post by CBG on Oct 18, 2005 10:21:39 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Oct 18, 2005 10:52:00 GMT -5
Hmmm....well, if I'm in the mood for a puppet show host I'll watch Joel. And if I'm in the mood for a comedic actor I'll watch Mike.
It's hard to say which mood I'm in most frequently, though.
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Post by OxfordProle on Oct 18, 2005 11:04:53 GMT -5
We need a good, old-fashioned wrestling match to settle this one.
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Post by mummifiedstalin on Oct 18, 2005 11:07:21 GMT -5
Both of them have put on a bit of weight, so it should be even.
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Post by Don Quixote on Oct 18, 2005 13:09:01 GMT -5
Hmmm....well, if I'm in the mood for a puppet show host I'll watch Joel. And if I'm in the mood for a comedic actor I'll watch Mike. It's hard to say which mood I'm in most frequently, though. I'd agree with you on that Affy
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Oct 18, 2005 16:30:51 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been asked before as well, but I was just curious. Sure, how could it not have? I will repeat what I have said several times before. Up to and including 512 - Mitchell I definitely prefer Joel. However from 513 - The Brain That Wouldn't Die on my preference decidedly switches to Mike. Controversial yes, but I stand by it.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Oct 18, 2005 16:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by Melting Manos on Oct 18, 2005 17:01:43 GMT -5
It's funny, I don't think I've ever seen this question (Which from what I've heard caused a ton of online debating when Joel left) come up on this board, and I joined well over a year ago. Anyway for me it's Mike. I started watching with Joel, but I prefer Mike as the host because I find him funnier in the theater and that's what makes or breaks the show for me. No disrespect to Joel (Who was excellent in the theater himself) I just prefer Mike.
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Post by Ratso on Oct 18, 2005 17:03:10 GMT -5
I like Frank.
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Post by CBG on Oct 18, 2005 17:06:19 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been asked before as well, but I was just curious. Sure, how could it not have? I will repeat what I have said several times before. Up to and including 512 - Mitchell I definitely prefer Joel. However from 513 - The Brain That Wouldn't Die on my preference decidedly switches to Mike. Controversial yes, but I stand by it. Controversial?!? REVOLUTIONARY!!! *bows*
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Oct 18, 2005 17:13:57 GMT -5
It's funny, I don't think I've ever seen this question (Which from what I've heard caused a ton of online debating when Joel left) come up on this board, and I joined well over a year ago. There was a sticky thread for a while in the early days. I did a search but didn't find it. The search function sucks.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Oct 18, 2005 18:06:27 GMT -5
Okay. Here is my opinion. Joel’s era was better, and Joel was the overall better host. There are several reasons.
First, the movie riffing was better. There are a few reasons for this. First they were able to snatch up all the AIP films when Orion was in trouble in the 90s. When I think of bad movies, those are the classic types. Amazing Colossal Man, It Conquered the World, etc. are all the typical bad movies, and when you see bad movies parodied by the mainstream, you’ll see influences from some of these movie. They also got the Sandy Frank films, which included the classic Gamera series. The only Godzilla movies are from this era. The only one of Ed Wood’s Big Three (GoG, BotM, P9fOS) is in the Joel era. Joel had all those solid movies taken up. All he was missing were some Universal movies (which Mike got and ended up doing disappointingly IMO). Also, these were usually the cheesy movies, which usually will make for a better episode (i.e. Godzilla vs. Megalon). The other reason riffing was better, was because there were more funny esoteric reference. This is the biggest reason, why I’m guessing Mike fans are turned off. All mixed in with a fair amount of talking back to the screen and poop & fart jokes. That’s why Joel is a little better in the theater. Another thing might be that there were less writers as time went on, from about 10 in seasons five and six, to six in the Sci-Fi era. Let’s say each person averages 100 good riffs per episode. With ten people, you get 1000 good riffs (which is more than enough for a great episode) per episode. With six people you get 600 good riffs (which is less than the average episode). I’m sure they didn’t average 100 good riffs an episode, it’s just an example of what I mean.
Then, there was the cast. Trace and Kevin put such personality into the puppets, it mixed well with Joel’s sort of “yeah, what’s up dude” attitude. (Hey it rhymes) Trace was the impressionist and corn ball joke maker, sort of a loon, the more childish of the two. Kevin was the pompous, angry man. Yeah, both could take characteristics of the others. But when Corbett came, both puppets were overly angry, no sort of contrast. Then the sets looked nicer during the Joel, but that’s a minor point (but the feel of a show does play a part). Then the host himself. I’m sorry, I love Mike (and I’m sure he may read my post), but by far I find Joel is better. Joel has a charm, that Mike (and most people in the universe) just does not have. Joel has a presence about him. Joel had a certain kind of charisma. He said he was never a good actor, but there was something about him that made him great. Almost, and X factor that I can’t explain. Also, the mads. No explanation needed. Then one final things about the Joel era that made it great, that is always overlooked- MIKE! Mike had multiple guest spots as a different character. Almost every week of season two had Mike being the Lon Cheney of the 90s. Mike was extremely funny and almost made some of these episodes.
Finally, the host segments. I think it’s obvious Joel had better ones. Part of that was that Joel had better chemistry with the bots. I think Kevin & Trace had better chemistry than Kevin & Bill, hell Trace & Josh probably had just as good chemistry as Kevin & Bill. Joel had the better concepts for host segments, I think a big problem is Mike got limited. Mike didn’t have the advantages that Joel had to be honest. Mike didn’t have an invention exchange, he didn’t have Mike to come on and make guest spots as a character from the movie on the hexfield. I think he had less songs as well. Also, Joel’s movies may have been better to make fun of during host segments. Mike came in handicapped greatly. Agaim, another factor I think it may have also had to do with the amount of writers. Then there is the fact they had to have a story arc. Plus they loss the genius that was Dr. F and Frank. To be honest, Mike did an okay job with what ended up happening. I still think Joel’s host segments would have been better, but they were really great. Plus Mike still had a good or great one from time to time.
Well that’s my abridged version of why I think Joel is better than Mike. Yeah, the ABRIDGED VERSION. If you’d like to hear the full version of me analyzing this topic, please send $140 to Journal Graphics, for the first of eighty volumes.
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Post by bongboy on Oct 18, 2005 18:58:15 GMT -5
Joel was cooler, Mike was too whitebread. Therefore i vote Joel. Boo-yah-ka-shaaa!
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Oct 18, 2005 22:37:36 GMT -5
I was going to say, Joel is a better host but Mike is a funnier commentator, but I thought I'd use this instead: Hmmm....well, if I'm in the mood for a puppet show host I'll watch Joel. And if I'm in the mood for a comedic actor I'll watch Mike.
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