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Post by CBG on Mar 15, 2006 16:57:23 GMT -5
...(whats the fan club up to, 50 thou?) I think it has reached over 100K, MJ. |
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Post by mightyjack on Mar 15, 2006 17:09:07 GMT -5
Wow, the MST army keeps marching on.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Mar 15, 2006 17:27:27 GMT -5
I thought the same thing. I always felt that received low to middling reviews from fans. Yeah, we talked about this in the over/underrated thread. Fu gets a bad rap, cuz it's a bad flick. But I think it's the consummate Experiment. The premise of the show if you will. Bad movie breaks the will of subject, Mad doctors revel, and even try their hand at riffing. I recently re-watched Fu, and I think the bad rap is because of the host segments. I think the breakdowns and suffering of Joel and the 'bots made it feel like a worse movie than it actually was. Had they done regular host segments, I think this one would have a better reputation. |
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 15, 2006 20:56:49 GMT -5
I recently re-watched Fu, and I think the bad rap is because of the host segments. I think the breakdowns and suffering of Joel and the 'bots made it feel like a worse movie than it actually was. Had they done regular host segments, I think this one would have a better reputation. Interesting perspective but I'm quite sure that's not the case with me. I've also watched it recently (well within 5 or 6 months anyway) and it is without a doubt the movie segs that drag me down. I honestly don't think the host segs had anything to do with it for me. |
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Post by Dave Walker on Mar 15, 2006 21:54:21 GMT -5
I recently re-watched Fu, and I think the bad rap is because of the host segments. I think the breakdowns and suffering of Joel and the 'bots made it feel like a worse movie than it actually was. Had they done regular host segments, I think this one would have a better reputation. Interesting perspective but I'm quite sure that's not the case with me. I've also watched it recently (well within 5 or 6 months anyway) and it is without a doubt the movie segs that drag me down. I honestly don't think the host segs had anything to do with it for me. I now recall CBG stating his premise and I see his point. As to Samptari's perspective, I'm with Phantom. I watched if maybe 3-4 months ago - twice, back to back. I've seen it enough times that it's a combination of bad movie and bad movie segs for me. |
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 16, 2006 0:39:23 GMT -5
I don't about that Hamlet poll. Only 46 votes out of the thousands of fans (whats the fan club up to, 50 thou?) Also a bunch of us didn't even bother to vote, sick of the Hamlet mud slinging at that point. It was old hat, so I gotta go with Phantom. It's got some violently vocal fans who are fighting to see it get more respect. But the majority of fans have always found that a poor to M'eh experiment. Ok, so it's a small sample of hundreds of thousands of fans, but it's more proof than just saying so right now. So I'll continue on disagree with you and Phantom (which is something i enjoy  ) |
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Post by mightyjack on Mar 16, 2006 8:30:52 GMT -5
That's cool. But I wouldn't put it past a Ham-Zealot like Redgrant to stuff the ballot box somehow (Bribes, multiple accounts, psychic power, etc)  As to Fu - I know Mike/Joel and the bots don't have THAT much of an influence on me. For example, I don't think Brother From Another Planet was the worst they've ever seen to that point. I hate to sound like a broken record, but Fu gets low points from me because of the fewer laughs I receive. On my website, I changed my grade scale to reflect "excellence Levels" - trying to get across the idea that there are simply different levels of great with MST. There are positives on Fu, but when I compare my reactions to it, vs (for example) Space Mutiny - the differences are profound. (Big belly laughs to a handful of chuckles) |
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Post by losingmydignity on Mar 16, 2006 18:04:21 GMT -5
So what about Incredibly Strange Creatures? It's in my top ten, but I've heard it put down a lot {most notably by Mighty Jack}. Yet there seem to be fans...a divisive ep?
I would agree with Phantom that it is...
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 16, 2006 18:15:24 GMT -5
I agree with Phantom also.
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Post by Cleolanta on Mar 16, 2006 18:26:31 GMT -5
My problem with Fu Manchu--the movie--is simply the way it was so confusing. We never found out who these people were or _why_ they were doing these things. If they had, I might've felt some emotional engagement--anger, disgust, sympathy, fright, suspense, even plain ordinary boredom would be something. But as it was, since I was kept in the dark about _everything_ for the ENTIRE movie...it had the same effect of wandering into a snooty party full of strangers, and they don't actively kick you out, but they keep talking about _nothing_ but in-jokes referencing events that you weren't there for.
The end result is that you not only are confused, you feel stupid and excluded, and the urge to just walk out of the room--'cos, after all, what they're saying in there has NO impact on you at all--is very strong.
And the riffs...weren't funny enough to save it for me. (And by "save", I mean, make a bad movie into a fun experience. It's supposed to be torture for THEM, but then they and their riffs act as a buffer for the audience to make it _entertaining_ for us. Yes, yes, the movies are SUPPOSED to be bad. But to me, it's not a good _episode_ unless they can somehow make a horrible movie into a fun experience. This one, didn't.) Too many samey jokes, and too many where they realised they had already said the same thing and just gave up in despair...I _wanted_ to like the movie, seeing as how I like Christopher Lee. But about five minutes in my brain just gave _up_ and shut down.
Keeping all that in mind...I liked the host segments. They didn't make me feel the movie was worse than it was--instead, they were exactly on the same page as I was. I already thought it was THAT bad, before I saw them complaining. So for me, the host segments were kind of...therapeutic. Cathartic. I didn't have to weep alone--Joel and the 'bots were weeping with me. :P
And yet, there are some people who love it. More power to them. I just wish I knew _what_ humour they were getting out of it so that I could look for that and maybe not suffer so much, maybe enjoy it a little more myself. But just...aaaaahhh. (bangs head against desk)
Anyway, divider episodes...I can't think of any other good ones. Most of the ones I can think of have like a majority one way and a small-but-vocal opposition. Like, Manos. Most people think it's a classic, I and a few others think it's overrated. Same for Space Mutiny, Puma Man and the Final Sacrifice. Hamlet is generally thought of as bad...what's the split on Monster A-Go-Go? I seem to keep running into people here who hate its guts. But I like it. Is that a "divider" one, or does it have a strong majority one way or the other? I don't know, myself.
...Notorious
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Post by losingmydignity on Mar 16, 2006 18:38:32 GMT -5
I agree with Phantom also. Quit spamming his thread......  |
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Post by lstcaz on Mar 16, 2006 19:27:17 GMT -5
You all have me curious now,was trying to decide what to watch this weekend. Will be Fu Man Chu wasn't looking forward to it. Reading description movie looks awful,but I thought I would not like Fugitive Alien but did,always wondered where -Your Stuck Here - came from. Host segments don't influence me
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Post by Dave Walker on Mar 16, 2006 21:31:12 GMT -5
Fugitive Alien and Fu are two very different zip codes, in my opinion. Let us know how it goes in So I Just Finished Watching.
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Post by Cleolanta on Mar 16, 2006 21:53:40 GMT -5
Fugitive Alien is...confusing but at least fun to follow along with, and you can figure out the characters' names and _basically_ what they're doing. I dunno, for some reason I just like those. I realise they're not everybody's cup of tea. (shrug)
And the "YOU'RE STUCK HERE!" line is quite fun to use in conversation...try it sometime! :P
...Notorious
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Post by lstcaz on Mar 16, 2006 21:59:16 GMT -5
Fugitive Alien was one of the funniest I've seen. As for names most seemed to be Ken's
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