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Post by elireburg on Dec 17, 2005 16:14:29 GMT -5
I'm feeling in a Christmas-time story mood, so if you'd like, post your own Christmas-time stories here, or ones you've heard of. You can make Christmas jokes, too!!
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Post by elireburg on Dec 28, 2005 15:07:37 GMT -5
Ok, yeah so I guess I won't have any Christmas Time Stories to look forward to.....
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Post by slwatson on Jan 11, 2006 19:34:51 GMT -5
Well, it's a little on the late side, but here's an MST3K Christmas story. Mind you, as I'm a card-carrying member of the TTPCTS Club, it does have its serious moments: www.livejournal.com/users/slwatson/41096.htmlHope that works!
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Post by Cleolanta on Jan 12, 2006 9:02:17 GMT -5
I used to know what that stands for...it's something along the lines of "Take the Concept Too Seriously", right? I guess I'm guilty of that. But I do that to _all_ shows/things I like, not out of weird life-needing obsessiveness, but because I simply...ENJOY figuring out how things work and making up my own What Might Have Happened to fill in the gaps in the plot that we aren't shown, etc. I dunno. It's just _fun_.
Anyway. I think I'm a member of the...take the concept too seriously club as well, since instead of just _accepting_ the difference between KTMA and Season One as a simple change in budget and design, I went and wrote out a whole story explaining how it happened on the character's side, _in_ the fictional universe. I guess that's a touch on the take it too seriously side. But do I care? NO! I had fun writing that story, dammit. :)
But of course YOU would know that, Slwatson, since it was _your_ site I submitted the story to... :P
Anyway. I just read your story and...wow. That is _so_ sweet, and in character. And it PERFECTLY captures what it is about the Joel era that I love so much. And the riffs on the poem were funny, too! I really loved the thing with jumping ahead in time thing with each new season, but continuing on from the last place in the poem we left off--it was a very clever way to get the whole thing in, but also go through time.
And that last line...._awww_. I have to say, it's a good thing it'll be a while before I get back to "Mitchell" in my watching-them-through-in-order thing. If I had to watch that right after reading your story, I just KNOW I'd break down sniffling all over again....
...Notorious
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Post by slwatson on Jan 17, 2006 12:09:22 GMT -5
Yes, that's about it. The 'Take the Plot Concept Too Seriously' Club was first mentioned by Bodger waaaaay back in the day, and she went on to make it an actual club in Subreality (http://www.subreality.com - RIP, Kielle). It's for all of us writers who kinda ignore the whole 'you should really just relax' philosophy.
I know! I had a chance to read your story, but I have to go and read it again and actually post it. I've been working on the site when I have a few minutes of free time (in Dreamweaver), so that the posting issues are fixed. You're added, but I still have to get all the links sorted out.
I'll give you some real feedback here as soon as I can. And hey, it's great to see a KTMA era author around; most of us kinda disregard the KTMA era overall.
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Post by Cleolanta on Jan 18, 2006 9:50:44 GMT -5
I don't. I think it's just as legitimate an era of the show as any other. Just because it was early and different doesn't mean it doesn't count. That's pretty much what my story was about...well, that, and I like the vibe of the oldschool years, wanted a chance to write in that style...and the thing about the whole _ship_ being so different had always kind of BUGGED me, since the first time I saw my first KTMA episode (Gamera Vs. Gaos, from a tape-trading MSTie friend.) And since the ship was different, I had an excuse to explain how the robots got changed as well, etc., etc...
And it's tons of fun to write scenes that are actually _in_ Gizmonics Institute and think about what the place is like... And to have scenes from the bad guy's point of view... Etc. I just had fun writing that one.
If you like the fact that I write in the KTMA era, you oughta see my MSTings. I have written one that actually takes place then, complete with phone calls!--and am working on a second one. I'm thinking about asking for volunteers at this board to "phone in" with comments for Joel and the 'bots for one host segment, even. Heh.
What exactly makes a "KTMA" style text MSTing different from other ones? Well, the way I do it...describe only things in the host segments that would be easily obtainable/not take too much time or money to set up. And when riffing, say the first thing that comes off the top of your head, and if you catch typos along the way _as you're writing the riff_, you're allowed to fix them (think of this as the textual equivalent of stumbling over a word in what you're saying and then correcting yourself out loud mid-sentence)...but once you've hit enter to go past that line, THAT'S IT! No more fixing! If you think of something funnier later on, TOO BAD! If you think the riff was lame or hurtful or stupid or too repetitive when you read it in future days, TOO BAD! If you find typos that you didn't see before, oh, well, whoops, everybody in Minnesota _already saw it_ and you can't take it back!
That kind of tack. It's in text, but still trying for that raw, rough feel. Fixing HTML mistakes you find later on _is_ acceptable, though, 'cos that's on the technical aspects of things. That's not re-writing the script or re-shooting scenes with a better take--that's more like...adjusting the rabbit-ears to make sure the picture itself comes in properly. :P
Anyway. It's okay that you haven't put my story up yet, I don't mind. Of course, I'd have a hard time knowing _anyway_, since I can't get into that site with IE at all, and with Firefox only through a fairly complex act of trickery...
...Notorious
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Post by slwatson on Jan 19, 2006 1:06:49 GMT -5
Boy, you really do get into it, don't you?
The reason that it's nice to see a KTMA author is because each of us tend to have something of a speciality over there. Bodger is very firmly a Joel fan, my sister Karen is a die-hard Forrester fan, Sharon (Rockerbot) tends to be Cambot's voice, Rachelle (Teddog) is the Subreality cross-fandom queen, and pretty much everyone knows that when I put hands to keyboard, it'll probably be strongly Mike-centric (though I adore Joel as well). Never read any of your MSTings, sadly, though I do like the impromptu style -- used it once myself in an eight hour meta-MST.
As to the site... ::shrugs:: It'll get there. The problem with juggling a (sorta freelance) job, a baby and a household means that a lot of wonderful fandom pursuits have to take a backseat. But it'll get there eventually. Kind of a shame I lost my personal archive, where a lot of it was posted ad-free, but we do what we can.
But hey, I'll let you go for now. Thanks for the reply!
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Post by Cleolanta on Jan 19, 2006 6:00:23 GMT -5
Yes, I know I'm known for rambling on...and on...and ON...sorry. :P But I had to explain the difference between my KTMA MSTings and my normal ones, because, well, there _is_ a difference. My normal ones, I'm allowed to edit the crap out of them if I think of something funnier later on, or notice typoes. Which sometimes makes a major difference, sometimes doesn't...it depends on how much I like my first ideas for riffs.
By the way, if you WANT to read any of my MSTings, I have a link I could point you to... (shameless plug) ;)
You could put me down as being a Joel fan and a Forrester fan, too. Actually, it's not that I like the KTMA/Season One episodes _better_ than the others; it's just that...I do like them somewhat, and hardly anybody ELSE bothers to write in that era, so it feels kind of like my own little private playground or something. It's not really my favourite thing, but my _specialty_--the thing that I like that I'm known for being DIFFERENT because of liking it.
Does that make any sense?
Anyway. Can you explain the whole Subreality concept to me one more time? I never quite got it. Is it about fangirlish gushing over characters, or fanfics that Take the Plot Concept Too Seriously in general, or stories that include the authors talking to the characters as if this is all one universe, or stories that cross over MST with other things, or....WHAT?
I never even _tried_ to join in when I saw the Subreality section at your site, 'cos I never quite understood it...
...Notorious
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Post by slwatson on Jan 26, 2006 16:46:15 GMT -5
Subreality isn't anything to do with fangirlishness. The best way to learn about it is to see it's origins: www.subreality.com/sc.htmKielle, the creator, explained it far better there than I could.
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Post by Cleolanta on Jan 28, 2006 6:29:35 GMT -5
Oh, I get it now. It's kind of like the same idea as Club Anipike, except (a) not so heavily anime-slanted, and (b) with way more (if not exclusively) fan-characters and authors/their avatars, rather than canon ones. (Also the House of Mouse is kind of the Disney idea of the same concept...) But both places are a sort of in-between-realities place where characters from all different universes can casually mingle, and sometimes even have fights with other versions of themselves, so...the comparison stands. Pretty much.
Well, it sounds interesting, but I...doubt if anybody would like or get my fan-characters, none of them have anything to do with MST3K or comics (unless you count little Sandy Corman, heh), I'm uncomfortable writing my real self into stories and don't really _have_ an avatar, so....I doubt I'll be joining in. That, and it's been around too long, there are too many in-jokes by now that I just won't get, too many things that I wasn't "there" for.
But it sounds like a fun idea, though. :)
...Notorious
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Post by slwatson on Jan 28, 2006 15:01:48 GMT -5
In a manner of speaking, that's pretty accurate. It's not really the 'fan characters', though -- see, the common theory is that when each author writes a canon character, that character becomes *their* version. So, your KTMA Joel would be your version of Joel, whereas Bodger has her version (Manager Joel), and Karen has hers (ShadowKnight Joel). Amusingly, though, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of a regular Mike aside my own (ShadowKnight/HC Mike), and an occasional visit by TechnoServo's abused fictive (which is kind of the big fandom injoke that no one has to know to play) but we only used him once or twice. The actual original canon characters belong to their original creators (BBI in this case) and are 'Mainstreams' that we don't write for (though that would make an amusing story).
There aren't that many TTPCTS injokes, really. The whole point of Subreality is that ANYONE can join in, at any point, and they don't NEED to know what the injokes are. It's all shaped by your own perceptions, and very friendly to new folks. I picture the TTPCTS Club as being kinda classy and warm. You picture it being something entirely different. It's Subreality, and we're both right, it's up to whoever is writing the fic to set the scene.
There are a couple of 'running jokes' -- Orie the parrot is the unofficial mascot, a big red macaw. The original tale of Orie is that he was a petshop bird that fell in love with my little sister, and she with him, and they would talk back and forth through the cage. His tagline was 'Talk to me, baby!'. It broke Karen's heart when Orie was sold, and I imagine it probably wasn't too good for Orie, either, as birds do bond strongly with people. So, I intro'd a Subreality Orie for her. He's just a parrot, and usually accosts any Mike fictive who walks in lovingly.
Servo's the barkeep, and Bodger's Joel is the manager, and both of them seem to be Season 3 or 4 characters. Guinness is the preferred Subreal drink, but anything can be drank.
That's really all there is in any 'set structure', and even that doesn't have to be adhered to. Mostly, we absolutely adore anyone who wants to join us, and it's been far too long since I've had the extreme pleasure of reading or writing a TTPCTS/Subreality fic. So if you ever do feel inspired to join us, please, do so! Bring KTMA Joel and his 'bots on over sometime, he'd be able to offer all kinds of neat perspectives on things that the later versions of the characters wouldn't. We'd love to have you.
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Post by Cleolanta on Feb 2, 2006 7:26:20 GMT -5
Yeah...it does sound a bit like the Club Anipike. (You ever read any of the MSTings that take place there, by the way?) I'm not sure exactly how I'm picturing the Subreality place...I guess I'd have to read some things there. I guess I'm picturing it a bit like the House of Mouse at the moment, which would mean: lots of seperate tables of different sizes, a big crowd mingling, a stage, and dimmed lighting. (Club Anipike I see as brighter and WAY more chaotic. :P)
So, my KTMA Joel...yeah, I'm not sure what all he'd say that's different, but I guess I could try stuff. I can just imagine the later versions of the 'bots making fun of their old selves..."Oh, man, I used to be SILVER?! Talk about retro!" (snicker)
I'm also tempted to invite in Sandy Corman, who, if he wouldn't fit into Subreality....really wouldn't fit anywhere. He's the star of the infamous (and unfinished) "B-Movie Story". I can't remember if I ever told you about that or not...anyway, it's a fun story, even if it is a total mess. Sanderson Edward Corman Jr. (hee) basically gets tossed into a universe where not only are movies real, but just his luck, they all happen to be BAD movies! The resulting mess is a semi-MST-fanfic-ish thing full of references and in-jokes, and...well, come on, you _know_ Sandy would fit in with the Subreality crowd. Heh. Maybe I could even drag along my version of Dr. Lisa Van Horn (from Rocketship X-M!) with him...
Anyway. Shutting up now...
...Notorious
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Post by Blurryeye on Feb 9, 2006 17:20:47 GMT -5
Slwatson, that Xmas story was really, really good. Great riffs on the classic poem, and a touching conclusion. Damn you're good.
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Post by slwatson on Feb 10, 2006 13:41:56 GMT -5
::laughs:: If I were really good, I'd be getting paid for it. But thank you so much for the comment -- I was a little worried about that one, just because I have a more difficult time connecting to Joel, and I'm glad that it turned out okay.
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Post by Spoonchan on May 12, 2009 19:12:34 GMT -5
sniff snff.... that was BEAUTIFUL!!! Ive alwase thought that Joel was like a daddy to Crow and Servo, and THIS CONVNCED ME EVEN MORE!!! SOOOOO CUTE!!! LOVED IT!! LOVEDLOVEDLOVEDLOVED!!!!!
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