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Post by Mod City on Sept 19, 2018 15:19:33 GMT -5
Just for the record, a little research suggests that the trailer music is not by the film's composer, who is Pinar Toprak. The trailer music is by Aleksandar Dimitrijevic, and it's called "Luminous and Unstoppable," which is really quite a fitting title for a Captain Marvel trailer.
I don't know if Toprak will incorporate this kind of sound into her work, or maybe this tune will be included in the movie and on the soundtrack. Either way, it really brings a big feel to a two-minute spot.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 19, 2018 15:38:04 GMT -5
Trailers, especially early ones, traditionally don't use scorework from the actual film, since it's likely th composer is still writing. There are some exceptions, such as the very first Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone trailer in which John Williams was asked to compose a theme for it and he composed "Hedwig's Theme" as a result. But most of the time it's just stock music from another film, or something they think sounds cool.
An example of stock music in the trailer actually being used in the film however is 2014's Godzilla, which used music from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Gareth Edwards kept it in the film because the music actually helped him concieve the scene in question.
I remember some people (idiots mostly) getting piiiiiiiisssssssssssssssed when the very first Man of Steel trailer dared use themes from Lord of the Rings. Apparently that was sacred ground and the use of it in a Superman trailer was sacrilegious.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 19, 2018 17:28:08 GMT -5
While we're glowing about Captain Marvel, which we should be because that trailer is awesome, the always great Mr. Sunday Movies has put up a few Captain Marvel videos in the last few weeks. One was posted in the last few days breaking down the new trailer, while another is a few weeks old where he and Weekly Planet co-host Nick Mason discuss the origin of Captain Marvel/Mar-Vell/Carol Danvers. They're worth a watch, as Mr. Sunday is one of the more consistently amusing YouTube entertainers/commentators out there, I feel.
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Post by Mod City on Sept 19, 2018 19:15:45 GMT -5
I remember some people (idiots mostly) getting piiiiiiiisssssssssssssssed when the very first Man of Steel trailer dared use themes from Lord of the Rings. Apparently that was sacred ground and the use of it in a Superman trailer was sacrilegious. Ah yes, the Internet bro squad can be quite the group. I guess I can kinda see why that would be annoying. I mean, you wouldn't put the theme from Raiders of the Lost Ark in a trailer for a different movie, and I'm sure there are fans who know every note of the Lord of the Rings movie scores (all 12 hours of it, or however long that damn trilogy is). Many, many movie goers wouldn't notice it. Myself included, and I've seen the LOTR movies and liked them. But the creeps have already started coming out of the wall for this movie, like they did for Mad Max: Fury Road (Furiosa as the lead? More important than Max? Nonsense!) and the new Star Wars movies (Rey is a Mary Sue! There are no black Stormtroopers!) They can't stand that a woman could be the most powerful character in the MCU so far. Give me a break. Get a grip on your insecurities, or whatever your problem is. Some people are actually bitching saying "they only hired Brie Larson because she won an Oscar." Well, no effing sh*t! Why is that a problem?? Some people can't find joy in anything, or at least have to try to deprive everyone else of it. Those vids were pretty fun, too. That guy is annoying for about 30 seconds, but once you get into his groove, he's great. It's weird that Shazam! is coming out soon, too, though I'm not really excited about that one. I'll probably change my mind once I see it, though
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Post by 47 on Sept 21, 2018 21:06:46 GMT -5
It was disappointing, though, that they weren't able to use the Iron Man song in the actual movie when they had used it for trailers. (I don't remember if it played during the credits roll or not.)
As for Howard Shore's TLOTR score … I might say that it would irk me somewhat if it was the main theme, or any of the other tracks in the score featuring its leitmotif, being used. I hear that thing all over the place. Usually not the piece itself, of course, but fugues obviously based off it. Not because it is bad, or anything, but because there are so many other rhythmic patterns to borrow in the museospace…
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Post by Torgo on Sept 21, 2018 22:41:07 GMT -5
I'm going to jumble up these quotes and mix and match just to keep you all guessing. That guy is annoying for about 30 seconds, but once you get into his groove, he's great. This is a common misconception. Mr. Sunday isn't annoying, he's just Australian. It was disappointing, though, that they weren't able to use the Iron Man song in the actual movie when they had used it for trailers. (I don't remember if it played during the credits roll or not.) Having watched every superhero movie ever made an ungodly amount of times in my life only topped by every Godzilla movie and the Back to the Future trilogy I can say with absolute certainty that an instrumental version of Black Sabbath's Iron Man plays at the beginning of the end credits immediately after Tony says to the press "I am Iron Man." Glorious pun. Though it's certainly not as highlighted as the Immigrant Song was in Thor: Ragnarok. I guess I can kinda see why that would be annoying. I mean, you wouldn't put the theme from Raiders of the Lost Ark in a trailer for a different movie, and I'm sure there are fans who know every note of the Lord of the Rings movie scores (all 12 hours of it, or however long that damn trilogy is). Many, many movie goers wouldn't notice it. Myself included, and I've seen the LOTR movies and liked them. As for Howard Shore's TLOTR score … I might say that it would irk me somewhat if it was the main theme, or any of the other tracks in the score featuring its leitmotif, being used. I hear that thing all over the place. Usually not the piece itself, of course, but fugues obviously based off it. Not because it is bad, or anything, but because there are so many other rhythmic patterns to borrow in the museospace… For a point of reference, here is the teaser trailer to Man of Steel... I haven't seen this trailer for about five years, and looking back on it it's definitely Howard Shore's Rings score. But it's definitely not the main theme or anything, but a minor theme from the film they just play for about a minute. It's really not something anybody would be able to guess unless you're a die hard Rings fan who has purchased the soundtracks and listened to them countless times. Personally as a huge fan of John Williams' score for the Richard Donner Superman film I would have enjoyed hearing them lift from that. Though I guess that would have been ill-fitting for Man of Steel. But the reason they used the music is obvious: Warner owns Superman and Warner owns Lord of the Rings. They picked a piece of stock music they thought fit the mood of the trailer. It's really not that big of a deal. Exhibit 2: The Teaser trailer to Godzilla... This one stands out to me a bit more, because I think that music is more iconic in cinema (and I don't even care for 2001). Once again both movies are owned by Warner, which means they definitely could just plug it into the trailer with no remorse. But there is a bit of a difference here in that Gareth Edwards actually used the music in the movie. From what I remember Gareth Edwards said while thinking up setpieces for the film he was walking around and scouting locations while listening to music to films he loved to get inspiration. This bit of music from 2001 came up while he was looking at the sky and he started conceiving of the Halo Jump. Since 2001 was a Warner owned title he had no trouble getting the music in the film. Honestly, he uses it in the film twice. The other time is earlier in the film where we get the first full body shot of Godzilla at Hawaiian airport. I don't know if I have a point to stating this, but it's just something I think is a fairly interesting comparison when it comes to stock music. I thought it was used well for the sequences though I have mixed feelings about it being used in the final movie, because it almost feels like it's treading on the tail of a classic. Some people are actually bitching saying "they only hired Brie Larson because she won an Oscar." Well, no effing sh*t!I like to think Brie Larson was cast because she's a good actress AND because she looks damn good in a tight costume. And no that's not me being a pig, because I'll admit Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth look hawt in their duds as well. But yeah, don't get me started on the fanboy entitlement rants I have pent up inside of me. I'd be here all damn day. It's weird that Shazam! is coming out soon, too, though I'm not really excited about that one. I'll probably change my mind once I see it, though If I'm being honest, the fact that we're having a Marvel Captain Marvel movie and a DC Captain Marvel movie coming out within a month of each other tickles me to no end. I'm seeing both, though I'm favoring Marvel because their track record is better. But we'll see if the management shakeup has affected DC for the better come Aquaman. Either way, the superflicks I'm looking forward to the most next year are Avengers 4 and Wonder Woman 1984, bar none. Though I can't decide which one I'm eager for more. I want that Avengers conclusion so bad that I'm tasting blood from biting my tongue, but Wonder Woman truly is one of my favorite superhero films ever.
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Post by GarrettCRW on Sept 22, 2018 18:51:31 GMT -5
You would think that people would understand that reusing parts of film scores in trailers for other movies is far from some great sacred thing after literally TONS of movies in the '90s and early 2000s reused the same part of James Horner's score for Aliens.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 22, 2018 19:39:26 GMT -5
HA! Absolutely. I remember that, and it was always that same section they lifted from when Ripley had just blown the Queen out of the airlock.
Holy hell, if someone hasn't made a compilation video of every time that music was used for a trailer then it NEEDS to happen.
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Post by GarrettCRW on Sept 24, 2018 4:20:18 GMT -5
A cursory search revealed nothing, but in the ultimate irony, Aliens' own trailer uses that same music clip.
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Post by Mod City on Sept 24, 2018 15:21:01 GMT -5
A cursory search revealed nothing, but in the ultimate irony, Aliens' own trailer uses that same music clip. Wasn't Horner's Aliens score basically a bastardized version of his Star Trek II score anyway? I heard Cameron didn't really give him enough time to construct something so he was kind of forced to.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 24, 2018 17:37:15 GMT -5
I know they had a falling out over the score, and apparently that climax score at the airlock was rewritten at the last minute because I guess Cameron hated Horner's original music. They buried the hatchet years later and did Titanic and Avatar together.
I can't specifically remember any similarities between Star Trek II and Aliens' music, but then again I don't think I've seen either in quite some time. Next time I pop in one or the other I might have to listen for familiar cues. But then again it's not uncommon for composers to recycle certain melodies in their work. There are echos of Batman in Danny Elfman's Spider-Man score for example. And Brian Tyler's scores almost always sound exactly alike (except Thor: The Dark World, which is probably the only memorable score Tyler has ever done).
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Post by Mod City on Sept 24, 2018 20:54:54 GMT -5
I've seen both flicks a lot, and there are some parallels if you listen. I can't pinpoint it but the scene in Aliens where Ripley drives the transport out of the hive definitely sounds like part of the TWOK score, though I can't fully put my finger on where.
EDIT: Actually this is probably a better example.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 24, 2018 23:03:34 GMT -5
That's an interesting listen. If there are more I'd love to hear them. It's possible that when Horner frantically rewrote that music he might have had to evolve that piece from Star Trek II.
I might have to side with musician style though, because a lot of film composers have certain sounds they like and double down on, like Hans Zimmer's infamous horns. Sometimes the scores can be aggressively different but if you listen real hard you can hear similar cues to other works. Alan Silvestri scored both Back to the Future and Predator and both scores are world's apart, though every once in a while I can hear an echo of Back to the Future in Predator.
But there is probably a documentary on Horner's Aliens music somewhere in the five hundred Alien franchise discs that probably tackles this at great length and maybe talks about the Star Trek echoes.
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Post by Mod City on Sept 25, 2018 12:53:54 GMT -5
Here is an example of what I was originally talking about. I can hear a shared sensibility, at least, between Aliens and TWOK on these two clips, even though they're clearly not exactly the same. The scene where Ripley runs over the alien has music similar to the scene where Khan's ship appears suddenly on the Enterprise view screen and opens fire. It's brief, but it's there.
Man, do love these two movies.
I never picked up on the Predator/BTTF connection. Will have to listen for that.
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Post by Torgo on Sept 25, 2018 14:56:44 GMT -5
Okay, yeah I can definitely hear that. You make a compelling argument, Mod. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Back to the Future and Predator are much more subtle similarities. It just more tones, instruments, and melodies that Silvestri tends to favor that I tend to pick out. It's kind of like when you close your eyes when you watch a movie and single out the composer because you hear certain things that you identify the composer with. There are little bits like that you can pick out in other great Silvestri scores like The Mummy Returns and The Avengers. I remember seeing The Amazing Spider-Man in theaters and a teenage girl squealed when James Horner's name came up and shouted "I KNEW IT! IT SOUNDED SO MUCH LIKE TITANIC!"
Anyway onto more stuff. Today was big MST news, but it's a pretty nerdy day all around. Solo came out on disc, so yay for Star Wars fans. Ignoring the box office fiasco, the movie is actually fine. I enjoyed it, and I'm not a huge Star Wars fan. Bear in mind I thought The Last Jedi was easily the best thing to come out of Star Wars since Empire, which probably makes my opinion of Star Wars moot and puts me on about five billion "Worse than Hitler" lists worldwide, but that's just my thoughts on thr matter. Though I do agree it's time for a slowdown. We got four movies in two and a half years and it's like Disney is going "YOU WANT MORE STAR WARS, DON'T YOU BITCH?!" and the world is crying "No please! I can't take any more!" It occurs to me that if Disney wants Star Wars to be like Marvel then they need to diversify. They can't just throw the same flavor of Star Wars at the screen and expect audiences to come back over and over again. They need to try something smaller in scale, maybe confined to a single planet in setting, and expand the genre then see if the audience responds to that. But if they are going to offer up space ships, sassy droids, and lasers but all in different shapes, then yeah, Star Wars is going to blow up in their face.
But for today I get my nerd on with some new 4K discs of Marvel flicks, as the last legs of 20th Century Fox released the original Bryan Singer/Brett Ratner (sex offender/harassment accusations on both notwithstanding) X-Men trilogy and Lionsgate offers up their take on The Punisher with the 2004 film and Punisher: War Zone (which was directed by a woman long before Wonder Woman was, biz-natches...and so was Tank Girl). I have a 4K TV and I love it. Unfortunately it doesn't have HDR so I'm missing out on quite a bit, but one day I hope to watch these discs in their full glory.
But for now I shall add this to my collection of Marvel 4K discs, which now comes out to:
X-Men Spider-Man X2 The Punisher (2004) Spider-Man 2 X-Men: The Last Stand Spider-Man 3 The Incredible Hulk Punisher: War Zone X-Men: First Class The Avengers The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man 2 X-Men: Days of Future Last Avengers: Age of Ultron Fantastic Four (2015) ...shut up... Deadpool X-Men: Apocalypse Logan Guadians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 Spider-Man: Homecoming Thor: Ragnarok Black Panther Avengers: Infinity War Deadpool 2 Ant-Man and the Wasp next month
I started pondering what Marvel flicks stand a chance of coming out in 4K in the future. I don't know which ones were actually filmed in the format (the early ones shot on film probably were, though most today are 2K due to extensive effects work), though the clarity is still astounding regardless and I'd like to see them. So if I may put together a Travis/Van Hagar (remember him?) like list...
Howard the Duck - Universal took their sweet time in releasing this movie on DVD and eventually blu-ray, mostly because Marvel properties were starting to get hot. It probably needs a 4K remaster, but it would look great I think. But unless Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is Howard the Duck centered I don't think we'll see another non-tie-in Howard the Duck release.
The Punisher (1989) - Lionsgate acquired this flick from Artisan, though a piece of me feels that if they were going to release it in 4K we would have seen it with the other two films today. This movie wasn't even released on blu-ray in the States, though there is a foreign disc floating out there, meaning there is at least a regular HD master (good, cause the DVD is pretty bad). I would say that Lionsgate isn't interested but...I gotta be honest and say some of their 4K releases are bizarre (Legend of Hercules? Van Wilder?). It might have a shot, but it will take someone giving a toss about it.
Captain America - MGM released a really bad MOD release and Shout Factory released a far better blu-ray. If Shout ever goes 4K then maybe this has a shot, but I doubt it.
The Fantastic Four (1994) - Never released. I think either New Horizons/Shout Factory owns it or Disney does through a buyout Marvel did on the film. If it's the former then the film's unreleased days are numbered, but it will likely be blu-ray and DVD, but if it's the latter it might never see the light of day.
Blade trilogy - Warner owns New Line, so if they start agrssively expanding New Line's 4K library then it's a maybe. However I anticipat they'd first be interested in titles like Lord of the Rings and/or Pleasantville (which would look DYNAMITE in 4K, just saying) first. But it took a while for these movies to hit blu-ray, so we'll see what happens.
Daredevil & Elektra - Fox has mostly swept these movies under the rug, though when they do let these movies pop out it's usually the director's cuts, which are widely considered the better versions. Daredevil's visuals have aged poorly (they never looked that good in the first place) and a higher resolution will make them look worse, though Elektra actually is a fairly handsome movie in many places. It's possible once Fox has exhausted their X-Men titles they might dust these off, though if the Disney acquisition happens before then then they might not bother.
Hulk - Shortcomings of the film aside, the cinematography is breathtaking and not having this movie on the 4K format would be a shame. Universal is a bit of a tie-in company for catalogue releases, and they did release The Incredible Hulk to tie in with Infinity War, but that was their sole MCU related film they have under their umbrella. They could stretch that and release this film to tie into Avengers 4, but that might be a stretch. We might see it if they and Marvel ever come to terms for another Hulk solo movie though.
Man-Thing - Lionsgate released this on DVD, but never on blu-ray. They did release it on Vudu in high def though, so a better master exists. But I doubt we'll see it on physical media. Hell, even the DVD is out of print. However as pointed out Lionsgate releases a ton of weird crap on the 4K format, and this DOES have the virtue of being a Marvel license...
Fantastic Four & Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer - I'd say they're in a similar situation as Daredevil and Elektra, though Fox doesn't quite hide them as much. If they release all their X-Men titles we might see a double feature disc of this some day.
Ghost Rider & Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance - Sony, like Lionsgate, is a little catalogue release happy these days. The Ghost Rider movies just might have the best shot at a 4K release over a lot of other titles on this list, believe it or not. After all this studio just released Quick and the Dead on 4K, and I don't even remember it having a proper blu-ray release (I could be wrong). Their last two Marvel licenses sound like a cash grab they can't resist, even if few people actually like them.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine and The Wolverine - I'm pretty sure these will happen soon, though they'll probably be in a three pack with Logan, like the new X-Men set and last month's Predator set. That sucks for us who already own Logan, but I do have doubts they'll include "Logan Noir" on such a set, so that disc might be worth keeping.
Big Hero 6 - It could happen if Disney ever makes a sequel, like how The Incrdibles wound up on 4K.
The rest of the MCU - Disney is finally getting into the catalogue title game, but at a snail's pace. They released the first two Avengers titles with Infinity War, but nothing else. There were rumors that Ant-Man might hit with Ant-Man and the Wasp next month, but that's starting to look like it's not going to happen. We might get a mini-wave with Avengers 4 in theaters, followed by another when it hits home video...but Disney is hard to predict. The only reason the studio went 4K at all was because James Gunn DEMANDED the format for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (and now Gunn has no involvement in the company at all, thank you very much Twitter) and if he hadn't they still might not be in the 4K game. I would think the Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Captain America films would be no-brainers...but we might be waiting a loooooooooong time.
The big question is whether Paramount has any distribution rights on Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Thor, and Captain America: The First Avenger, like Universal does with The Incredible Hulk and Sony does with Spider-Man: Homecoming. But I feel that if they did they would have released tie-in discs for Infinity War back in April. Now true that Paramount has cooled off on catalogue releases, either canceling or delaying releases of Ninja Turtles and G.I. Joe silently, but that was after Infinity War released and I don't think it would have any effect on Marvel titles. So I'm going to assume Disney has full home media rights to them.
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Anyway, that's my pointless list. I might do one for DC but that list is far less interesting since most of those movies are owned under Warner, with the exception of the 60's Batman movie and the Swamp Thing movies. The original Superman is getting a 4K in November though, so there is stuff to talk about with them as well.
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