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Post by Film Scorpion on Jan 15, 2008 4:39:53 GMT -5
Pretty straight forward. What's your favorite out of the 21 James Bond movies?
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Post by Film Scorpion on Jan 15, 2008 5:17:38 GMT -5
If I had to rank them ALL, in order, from worst to best, I would say...
The Worst Five:
21. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 20. Dr. No 19. Die Another Day 18. The World is Not Enough 17. Diamonds are Forever
The Middle Ground:
16. A View to a Kill 15. Moonraker 14. Octo... you know 13. Goldeneye 12. Thunderball 11. The Man With the Golden Gun
And The Top Ten Best:
10. Casino Royale 9. You Only Live Twice 8. Tomorrow Never Dies 7. Goldfinger 6. Live and Let Die 5. From Russia With Love 4. For Your Eyes Only 3. License to Kill 2. The Living Daylights 1. The Spy Who Loved Me
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Post by bobjohnson on Jan 15, 2008 6:26:32 GMT -5
If I had to rank them ALL, in order, from worst to best, I would say... The Worst Five:21. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 20. Dr. No 19. Die Another Day 18. The World is Not Enough 17. Diamonds are Forever The Middle Ground:16. A View to a Kill 15. Moonraker 14. Octo... you know 13. Goldeneye 12. Thunderball 11. The Man With the Golden Gun And The Top Ten Best:10. Casino Royale 9. You Only Live Twice 8. Tomorrow Never Dies 7. Goldfinger 6. Live and Let Die 5. From Russia With Love 4. For Your Eyes Only 3. License to Kill 2. The Living Daylights 1. The Spy Who Loved Me OHMSS is the worst?!? Its one of the best since Kojak played blofeld and had a unique ending! I really enjoyed Casino Royale alot, I watch it every 3 months or so and can't stop loving the new approach to the series. Daniel Craig is the best bond since Connery period!
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Post by Shep on Jan 15, 2008 7:35:54 GMT -5
If I had to rank them ALL, in order, from worst to best, I would say... The Worst Five:21. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 20. Dr. No And The Top Ten Best:3. License to Kill 2. The Living Daylights "OHMSS" and "Dr. No" are two of the best IMO. However, I'll forgive you since you've included the two Timothy Dalton films in your top 5. I love those, too, mainly for Dalton's performance as Bond (the films themselves were so-so). "Goldfinger" is still my all-time fave. Just classic movie fun.
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Post by Film Scorpion on Jan 15, 2008 10:27:30 GMT -5
OK, OK... let me explain.
Now please keep in mind that all of the following is "in my opinion". So I don't have to keep writing that over and over.
First, "On Her Majesty's Secret Service". George Lazenby is AWFUL. Ruins the entire movie for me. He is not Bond, never was Bond, and should not have been Bond. Ever. He drops to one knee for the gun-barrel shot! Yeah, that's off to a great start. James Bond sans equilibrium. A Bond who can't even keep his balance while shooting a gun. Stand up straight and shoot the gun like a man. An Australian model?!?!? Give me a break. He doesn't even look the part at all. He looks like he should be playing someone's butler. And someone give him a paper bag and see if he can act his way out of it. I'll lay 8 to 5 that he can't.
And it's not just Lazenby that annoys me. The screenwriters clearly never heard of James Bond, or watched any of the previous films, before they scribbled out this one. Bond gets married??? Bond does not get married. James Bond; super globe-trotting, life-risking, trust-nobody, mission-above-all, cold-blooded-killer, secret agent is going to settle down? Can you imagine Bond on any of his adventures, doing all the things that he does, with a wife waiting back home? Come on. A one-woman-guy? A married man? That is not the character. He's a womanizer. A ladies man. Use them to get the job done, love 'em and leave 'em and occasionally kill 'em.
And here's the absolute worst part: Bond and Blofeld don't recognize each other. Excuse me? You Only Live Twice, anyone? No? That's the deal breaker for me, and the major reason (including the two above) that OHMSS is the only Bond movie I don't own, and refuse to buy. Now don't get me wrong, I don't expect perfect continuity from a series that has had five different guys playing the same man who never ages over 40 years (except in Diamonds are Forever and A View to a Kill, of course), and in which the "new M" from Goldeneye is now the very first M. But one thing has remained constant in the series. The relationships between the characters. Whether it's Felix Leiter, Moneypenny, or whomever, if Bond has met them before, he's met them before. Different actors are one thing, but the relationship between the characters is too important to change or retcon.
Look, Moonraker was goofy, to be sure. But how much worse would it have been, if just imagine, Bond sees Jaws and goes "Holy crap! Who's this guy with the metal teeth?" Um, hello? You just fought him all over the last picture. But that doesn't happen. Because even Moonraker has more sense than OHMSS. "His name's Jaws. He kills people.". That's the kind of character continuity that is essential to the series, and which allows us to accept the actor changes. Because the characters are always the same. So after Bond meets Blofeld, talks with him at length, and fights him in You Only Live Twice, (The very last film before OHMSS! It's not like this was six movies ago!), now it's "Who are you? Never met you or even heard of you before."
"This never happened to the other fellow"... yeah, that's real cute too. Break the fourth wall. Way to convince audiences that you're playing the same character, and they should accept you. By pointing out that not only WAS there indeed another fellow, but that he could handle his business a lot better than you.
Now, Dr. No...
Boring. That's it. First time I saw it, I fell asleep. It's agonizingly sloooooow. More problems with it... tarantulas aren't really poisonous. Far from being harmful to humans, their bite is actually no worse than a bee sting. And they hardly ever bite people. Aren't dangerous in the least. Docile. Harmless. Bond might as well have had a kitten crawling on him. That would have been more suspenseful, since a kitten could give him a nasty scratch, which could become infected.
Also, they killed Quarrel. One of the most likable Bond allies ever. Yeah, likable characters get killed all the time in Bond pictures, and usually it is important to the plot, but this wasn't. They just cooked the poor guy for no reason. It's one of only three Bond-Ally-Deaths in the series that I can't forgive.
But the absolute worst part is the fact that we don't even meet the main villain (the title character!) until the very end of the movie, after an hour and a half of nothing happening, we finally meet Dr. No. Who proceeds to TALK for 15 minutes straight. This is where I fell asleep the first time I saw it. He sits down with Bond and talks. And talks. And talks some more. And keeps right on talking. Wait, he's revealing his obligatory villain disfigurement/metallic-body-part/lethal-article-of-clothing! He has metal hands! This could be cool! Is he going to use them in a fight, or crush someone's throat with them, or... no? Nothing? Never uses them? Wow. Missed opportunity, thy name is Dr. No. All we get is a ten second fight and Bond drops him into the deadly vat of whateveritwas. Wasted villain. And I mean that in more ways than one.
The formula just wasn't there in Dr. No. It's the first Bond movie, so they hadn't hit that perfect stride yet, of music, action, plot, villain development, deadly traps, etc. That established formula wouldn't completely come together and establish itself until Goldfinger. Look, we're on an MST3K board, so think of Dr. No as the KTMA season, if that analogy works for you.
Remember, this is all just in my own opinion. Don't kill me.
;D
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Post by braindeadzombie on Jan 15, 2008 12:02:15 GMT -5
And Never Say Never Again? I know it's not official Brocolli but it is better than Thunderball.
My pick would be From Russia With Love, an actual cold war spy film featuring spies, counterspies and secret gadgets that are designed to kill. No goofy archvillains and henchmen invited here, even Blofeld is protrayed as a serious threat.
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Post by General Tom Servo on Jan 15, 2008 12:12:51 GMT -5
Pretty much all of mine are Connery or Brosnan, I've only seen Casino Royale and A View To A Kill otherwise...
But definitely From Russia With Love, for the reasons Braindeadzombie gives.
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Post by bobjohnson on Jan 15, 2008 14:45:12 GMT -5
OK, OK... let me explain. Now please keep in mind that all of the following is "in my opinion". So I don't have to keep writing that over and over. First, "On Her Majesty's Secret Service". George Lazenby is AWFUL. Ruins the entire movie for me. He is not Bond, never was Bond, and should not have been Bond. Ever. He drops to one knee for the gun-barrel shot! Yeah, that's off to a great start. James Bond sans equilibrium. A Bond who can't even keep his balance while shooting a gun. Stand up straight and shoot the gun like a man. An Australian model?!?!? Give me a break. He doesn't even look the part at all. He looks like he should be playing someone's butler. And someone give him a paper bag and see if he can act his way out of it. I'll lay 8 to 5 that he can't. And it's not just Lazenby that annoys me. The screenwriters clearly never heard of James Bond, or watched any of the previous films, before they scribbled out this one. Bond gets married??? Bond does not get married. James Bond; super globe-trotting, life-risking, trust-nobody, mission-above-all, cold-blooded-killer, secret agent is going to settle down? Can you imagine Bond on any of his adventures, doing all the things that he does, with a wife waiting back home? Come on. A one-woman-guy? A married man? That is not the character. He's a womanizer. A ladies man. Use them to get the job done, love 'em and leave 'em and occasionally kill 'em. And here's the absolute worst part: Bond and Blofeld don't recognize each other. Excuse me? You Only Live Twice, anyone? No? That's the deal breaker for me, and the major reason (including the two above) that OHMSS is the only Bond movie I don't own, and refuse to buy. Now don't get me wrong, I don't expect perfect continuity from a series that has had five different guys playing the same man who never ages over 40 years (except in Diamonds are Forever and A View to a Kill, of course), and in which the "new M" from Goldeneye is now the very first M. But one thing has remained constant in the series. The relationships between the characters. Whether it's Felix Leiter, Moneypenny, or whomever, if Bond has met them before, he's met them before. Different actors are one thing, but the relationship between the characters is too important to change or retcon. Look, Moonraker was goofy, to be sure. But how much worse would it have been, if just imagine, Bond sees Jaws and goes "Holy crap! Who's this guy with the metal teeth?" Um, hello? You just fought him all over the last picture. But that doesn't happen. Because even Moonraker has more sense than OHMSS. "His name's Jaws. He kills people.". That's the kind of character continuity that is essential to the series, and which allows us to accept the actor changes. Because the characters are always the same. So after Bond meets Blofeld, talks with him at length, and fights him in You Only Live Twice, (The very last film before OHMSS! It's not like this was six movies ago!), now it's "Who are you? Never met you or even heard of you before." "This never happened to the other fellow"... yeah, that's real cute too. Break the fourth wall. Way to convince audiences that you're playing the same character, and they should accept you. By pointing out that not only WAS there indeed another fellow, but that he could handle his business a lot better than you. Now, Dr. No... Boring. That's it. First time I saw it, I fell asleep. It's agonizingly sloooooow. More problems with it... tarantulas aren't really poisonous. Far from being harmful to humans, their bite is actually no worse than a bee sting. And they hardly ever bite people. Aren't dangerous in the least. Docile. Harmless. Bond might as well have had a kitten crawling on him. That would have been more suspenseful, since a kitten could give him a nasty scratch, which could become infected. Also, they killed Quarrel. One of the most likable Bond allies ever. Yeah, likable characters get killed all the time in Bond pictures, and usually it is important to the plot, but this wasn't. They just cooked the poor guy for no reason. It's one of only three Bond-Ally-Deaths in the series that I can't forgive. But the absolute worst part is the fact that we don't even meet the main villain (the title character!) until the very end of the movie, after an hour and a half of nothing happening, we finally meet Dr. No. Who proceeds to TALK for 15 minutes straight. This is where I fell asleep the first time I saw it. He sits down with Bond and talks. And talks. And talks some more. And keeps right on talking. Wait, he's revealing his obligatory villain disfigurement/metallic-body-part/lethal-article-of-clothing! He has metal hands! This could be cool! Is he going to use them in a fight, or crush someone's throat with them, or... no? Nothing? Never uses them? Wow. Missed opportunity, thy name is Dr. No. All we get is a ten second fight and Bond drops him into the deadly vat of whateveritwas. Wasted villain. And I mean that in more ways than one. The formula just wasn't there in Dr. No. It's the first Bond movie, so they hadn't hit that perfect stride yet, of music, action, plot, villain development, deadly traps, etc. That established formula wouldn't completely come together and establish itself until Goldfinger. Look, we're on an MST3K board, so think of Dr. No as the KTMA season, if that analogy works for you. Remember, this is all just in my own opinion. Don't kill me. ;D You have a right to your opinion but don't think its gonna go unscathed when writing it! otherwise good list
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Post by callipygias on Jan 15, 2008 15:00:48 GMT -5
The Spy Who Loved Me has the greatest opening of any Bond film, but the one I like the most all the way through is Goldeneye. I hate to pick a newer one, but there it is. The chase scene with the tank belongs at the top of any "greatest chase scenes of all time" list. Not to mention Joe Don!
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Post by terry on Jan 15, 2008 15:08:21 GMT -5
I have to admit I haven't seen a whole lot of the Bond series. But I personally dig Sean Connery the most. "You Only Live Twice" and "Never Say Never Again" are two of my favorites. Oh, and let's not forget "Octopussy," which is not only a great movie, but fun to say!
But I also liked Pierce Brosnan as Bond and "Tomorrow Never Dies" was pretty solid. I was plesantly surprised to see both Judi Dench and Geoffery Palmer in a movie together, as I'm a big fan of "As Time Goes By."
And by all accounts, I must see the new "Casino Royale."
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Jan 15, 2008 15:14:57 GMT -5
See sometimes I like a Bond film that "fits the formula" and sometimes I like when they don't fit the formula. The first two Bond movies are perfect examples of non-formula films that work, so is Licence to Kill and Goldeneye. However my favorite, is admitadly a formula film, Goldfinger.
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Post by callipygias on Jan 15, 2008 15:28:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Goldfinger is probably the greatest Bond film ever. Not quite my personal favorite, but I'd vote for it as the greatest.
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Post by Captain Hygiene on Jan 15, 2008 15:33:09 GMT -5
I haven't seen any Roger Moore ones in ages, but I believe I'm familiar with the rest. For me, I can't decide between From Russia with Love, Goldfinger, and the new (duh!) Casino Royale. I usually just say Goldfinger, since it's kind of the prototypical classic Bond film, and it's done better than just about any other.
I'm not a Dalton hater, but to me, Connery and Craig are the only James Bonds. Roger Moore is an engaging actor in his own way, but he's not James Bond to me.
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Post by callipygias on Jan 15, 2008 15:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by General Tom Servo on Jan 15, 2008 16:15:47 GMT -5
The Spy Who Loved Me has the greatest opening of any Bond film, but the one I like the most all the way through is Goldeneye. I hate to pick a newer one, but there it is. The chase scene with the tank belongs at the top of any "greatest chase scenes of all time" list. Not to mention Joe Don! GoldenEye's cool. I used to be obsessed with that film when I was younger. Particularly like Robbie Coltrane as the Russian mobster, whom they fortunately brought back in The World is Not Enough. Also Sean Bean, Famke Janssen and Gotfried John as three of the best Bond villains ever. And Joe Don was rather amusing too. The only thing I don't like about that film is the electronic music, WTF is that?
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