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Post by Rowsdower on Jan 29, 2004 1:54:06 GMT -5
Gah. Sorry, I find the Razzie's unfortunately lame. What's the point? Did anyone see any of those films as high art? No. Is this going to damage their reputation? No. Is it going to keep Hollywood from pumping out this kind of swill? No. Are untalented star/producers like Drew Barrymore going to a break from rolling around in their huge piles of cash and go, "Gee, that movie I made got a Razzie. Maybe, I'll try harder next time."
I haven't and will NEVER see any of those films. I would if someone MSTed them fer me but c'est tout.
I'd rather take the piss out of the undeserving pretentious, pompous, bloated films that are annually celebrated by the Academy Awards.
Cold Mountain should have been up for Razzies, not Golden Globes/Oscars. If I were Sean Penn, probably the most talented actor in Hollywood today, I would toss my Golden Globe in the dumpster behind the Golden Horn knowing that Renee Zellwegger also received one for her embarrassingly unsubtle, artless, ham-fisted, heavy-handed, over-the-top, pouty-lipped, boot stomping cliched performance; she chewed more scenery than Godzilla! Nicole Kidman couldn't act her way out of a...I don't know...a very wet paper bag. If the screenplay or direction of Cold Mountain gets nominated for an Oscar I am going to projectile vomit all over my tv set. It's as if Oprah Winfrey and Maya Angelou and every other flakey new age, pink-covered romance novel-reading housewife collaborated on a it.
...I should stop.
I don't watch the Oscars either. I'd rather fire 10" rivets through my scrotum than sit through 15 hrs of hacks patting each other on the back for their vapid, uninspired filmmaking. The Academy Awards, I'm not sure if they ever meant anything really...(How many did they give Kurosawa?)...ah, I don't know...but nowadays it is just another TV show and...
The reason for TV is advertising money.
How much they charge for advertising is based on projected ratings.
Ratings=how many people watched a show=how many people watched the ads.
So, if you are going to do an movie awards show, what are you going to do? Give the Best Picture to some deserving film that maybe 100,000 saw in selected theatres? NO. You're going to give it to the most SUCCESSFUL bombastic vanity project of the year...something that grossed a billion dollars worldwide.
So, if it made enough money itself, and at least was considered semi-arty, that's what will win (i.e. made $=viewers= make more $). It is exploitative Hollywood exploiting itself...it's sickening. This is why total crap like Titanic and Saving Private Ryan wins, while solid films like Dead Man are called boring and croak in 50-seaters.
All said, LOTR will win Best Picture this year (it will, you have my word)...and, well...that seems at least like it's not the tenth total shitfest in a row winning. Personally, LOTR does NOTHING for me (I didn't even like the books), I found the movies as dull as dog snot, but I knew it was a personal taste thing (though the acting was...well, average at best)...I realize they aren't bad movies, just not what I consider 'art' (like Dersu Uzala).
Anyway, goodni..morning.
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Post by Torgo on Jan 29, 2004 2:06:26 GMT -5
Gah. Sorry, I find the Razzie's unfortunately lame. What's the point? Did anyone see any of those films as high art? No. Is this going to damage their reputation? No. Is it going to keep Hollywood from pumping out this kind of swill? No. Are untalented star/producers like Drew Barrymore going to a break from rolling around in their huge piles of cash and go, "Gee, that movie I made got a Razzie. Maybe, I'll try harder next time." The Razzies are all in good fun. Instead of celebrating the "art" that represents the "best" of Cinema, they celebrate the mindnumbing crap that Hollywood churns out year after year. Like many things in life, you either get it or you don't. Tom Green obviously got it, considering he was the first Razzie winner in history to show up and accept the award.
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Post by Rowsdower on Jan 29, 2004 17:47:18 GMT -5
The Razzies are all in good fun. Instead of celebrating the "art" that represents the "best" of Cinema, they celebrate the mindnumbing crap that Hollywood churns out year after year. Like many things in life, you either get it or you don't. Tom Green obviously got it, considering he was the first Razzie winner in history to show up and accept the award. um...Wait a second my point was that I 'got it', and I find it LAME. I know it's in 'good fun', I just find it terribly OBVIOUS that these movies suck (which is why I don't go to see them) ...I see a 5 second spot of Charlie's Angels and I say, "I'd rather have my face chewed off by wild dogs than see that AD again, let alone a whole 89 minutes of it."...I don't find them ballsy or even mildly interesting at all, in fact, it seems that they are almost celebrating crap filmmaking, like, "Duh, Holly-wood, thanks for force feeding us total poopie that insults are intelligence, don't worry, we'll be good little doggies and keep coming back to the theatres because we like watching movies and we'll watch anything because we have more money than brains."....especially when Tom Green can be considered in on the joke; that's just repulsive. Tom Green is an unfunny untalented idiot. Sorry if I sound grumpy, I'm just a little miffed that I was accused of "not getting the Razzies"...what's there to 'get'? Seriously, did you read beyond on what you quoted? I just think it's a waste of time. Actually attacking sacred cows...THAT I'm all for. #nosmileys
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Post by Buddhist Kitten on Jan 29, 2004 18:02:00 GMT -5
The Razzies are all in good fun. Instead of celebrating the "art" that represents the "best" of Cinema, they celebrate the mindnumbing crap that Hollywood churns out year after year. Like many things in life, you either get it or you don't. Tom Green obviously got it, considering he was the first Razzie winner in history to show up and accept the award. No, no. Wasn't Bill Cosby the first one to do that?
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Jan 29, 2004 18:19:24 GMT -5
I just find it terribly OBVIOUS that these movies suck There used to be a TV show that took oviously bad movies and made fun of them. Let's see, what was the name of that show.....?
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Post by Torgo on Jan 29, 2004 19:43:16 GMT -5
um...Wait a second my point was that I 'got it', and I find it LAME. I know it's in 'good fun', I just find it terribly OBVIOUS that these movies suck (which is why I don't go to see them) ...I see a 5 second spot of Charlie's Angels and I say, "I'd rather have my face chewed off by wild dogs than see that AD again, let alone a whole 89 minutes of it."...I don't find them ballsy or even mildly interesting at all, in fact, it seems that they are almost celebrating crap filmmaking, like, "Duh, Holly-wood, thanks for force feeding us total poopie that insults are intelligence, don't worry, we'll be good little doggies and keep coming back to the theatres because we like watching movies and we'll watch anything because we have more money than brains."....especially when Tom Green can be considered in on the joke; that's just repulsive. Tom Green is an unfunny untalented idiot. Sorry if I sound grumpy, I'm just a little miffed that I was accused of "not getting the Razzies"...what's there to 'get'? Seriously, did you read beyond on what you quoted? I just think it's a waste of time. Actually attacking sacred cows...THAT I'm all for. I did not accuse you of anything, and yes I read beyond that. But you were also asking if there was a point, there is no point to any awards show. They're just there. And I never said Tom Green was funny or talented. Some people find it fun.That was my point. So don't get all angry at me.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Jan 29, 2004 19:54:35 GMT -5
So don't get all angry at me. Torgo, just go listen to the Canadian song. But I kid Rowsdower
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Post by Torgo on Jan 29, 2004 19:58:49 GMT -5
Torgo, just go listen to the Canadian song. But I kid Rowsdower LOL!
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Post by Rowsdower on Jan 30, 2004 0:32:59 GMT -5
Torgo, you should have just answered in true strapless evening gown-loving Servo fashion:
"I just think they're nice, 'tis all"
No, no...I was saying that I knew that I sounded grumpy...and that I didn't want you to think I was at your throat.
My little rant...
"it seems that they are almost celebrating crap filmmaking, like, "Duh, Holly-wood, thanks for force feeding us total poopie that insults are intelligence, don't worry, we'll be good little doggies and keep coming back to the theatres because we like watching movies and we'll watch anything because we have more money than brains."....especially when Tom Green can be considered in on the joke; that's just repulsive."
...was aimed at The Razzies, not you. That was the part of my post that I thought could be misconstrued because I was just ranting with no structure.
Okay, I'll take your word for it; It was just that your choice of words rubbed me the wrong way, "Like many things in life, you either get it or you don't."...if you had used "like" or "dig" in the place or "get" I wouldn't have been insulted at all. Even then, I wasn't raging or banging my head on my keyboard screaming for blood.
It probably just reminded me too much of Tom Robbins.
I realize now that. "Seriously, did you read beyond on what you quoted?" sounds a tad snotty (the "seriously" part made that happen)...but I was actually just asking a question. I thought I made myself clear following the part that you quoted.
Let us just forget about Tom Green...I won't bother anyone who finds him fun or anything, in fact, I'm not sure you even like him...that part of my rant was still aimed at the Razzies, not you.
What a mess I've created. I seriously didn't mean to cause any strife...I just spit out my opinions in an often confused manner seeing as I'm going through the D.T.s (not fun), which could also cause me to be a little surly or high strung.
Let's shake hands, man, we ah MSTies heah! It's much ado about nothing.
seriously
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Post by Rowsdower on Jan 30, 2004 0:37:53 GMT -5
There used to be a TV show that took oviously bad movies and made fun of them. Let's see, what was the name of that show.....? I CRY FOUL! That's why I said, a few posts back. That's dirty pool, phantom...shame on you.
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Post by Torgo on Jan 30, 2004 0:49:34 GMT -5
Let's shake hands, man, we ah MSTies heah! It's much ado about nothing. seriouslySounds cool to me. You're post just got me confused when you said I was "accusing" you. Accusing's not a pretty word. I don't like to fight, fighting is mean. Let's all just end this as happily as an episode of the Brady Bunch.
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Post by BobJohnson on Jan 30, 2004 11:04:14 GMT -5
They forgot The Matrix films, those were pretty gut wrenching to watch. Too much Christ innuendo.
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Post by Rowsdower on Jan 30, 2004 11:44:50 GMT -5
Well, I didn't see it as real fighting...I mean we weren't as many denizens of the internet put it, "flaming" each other or anything...(thank god it didn't get that out of control)...it seemed more like a big misunderstanding over petty semantics.
Ah well. Let us forget.
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Post by Rowsdower on Jan 30, 2004 11:53:07 GMT -5
They forgot The Matrix films, those were pretty gut wrenching to watch. Too much Christ innuendo. Ah, THANK YOU...someone else who hates the Matrix. You know, when I someone I knew rented the Matrix, I watched it, blocked out the pretentious geek overtones and said, "Cute little action vehicle" and never planned to view it again. Then I was dragged to the sequels and my jaw went slack... what horseshit. For the first one, originally, my feelings were neutral, but I now HATE IT out of simple association.
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Post by Torgo on Jan 30, 2004 12:54:27 GMT -5
They forgot The Matrix films, those were pretty gut wrenching to watch. Too much Christ innuendo. The Matrix sequels got one nomination for worst director. I loved all three of them. Brilliant movies.
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