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Post by Captain Hygiene on Mar 31, 2007 21:12:38 GMT -5
In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson the first great all progressive album. I thought about posting this. They seemed to pop out of the gate pretty well knowing exactly what they were doing.
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Post by Hoss Ragen on Mar 31, 2007 21:30:32 GMT -5
Raw funk. I only have the mid-90s Japanese reissue. It's amazing. Nothing like their later stuff. Earth, Wind & Fire's early 70s first had a similar gritty feel to it.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Apr 1, 2007 1:36:05 GMT -5
Weezer, the Blue AlbumPinkerton's my favorite Weezer Lp, but the Blue Album was like manna from Heaven when I first heard it. I loved the way the melodies revolved in and around each other. The quirky lyrics which could be silly (The Sweater Song) and serious (Say it Ain't So) - Rivers got most of the credit, but the group has never been the same without Matt Sharp (who later sued for monies owed on songs he wrote). Matt was/is eclectic and eccentric (He lead the new wavish "Planet P" and later came through Nashville bringing a mature acoustic set that wow the crowd) If Rivers was wise, he'd at least start writing with Sharp again. Love the hooks, but one thing they got right that other post-Beatles power poppers never seemed to get, is that they never wasted a note. The set up (verses) were just as important as the payoff (Chorus) - Listen to the Beatles, "She Loves You" and you discover that there's not one second that's not important, catchy ear candy. Theres no throw away moments... Most of the songs on "Blue" get that down pat right from the start (The spectacular "My Name is Jonas") And I thought that I was going to be the one guy to post this. This album revolutionized my feelings towards music. Weezer was the first band that I genuinely fell in love with (even if it was a bit late; I was given the album in June of 2000, a birthday present from the friend who introduced me to the band). It was also the first album that I genuinely loved, front-to-back, each and every song. In reality, Sharp had very little to do with the songwriting and, well, anything musical. Rivers wrote virtually everything, from vocal parts to bass lines. Sharp did, of course, add style and a vibe that is sorely missing from them today. He won't be coming back long-term for a while, though - Matt's off with the reunited Rentals now, touring and prepping a new album. Anyway, Weezer from 1992 to around 1997 (I would even argue 1999, when they masterfully covered "Velouria" for a Pixies tribute) was absolute solid-gold. Sadly, Rivers got royally futzed up between 1997 and 2000 and, while he wrote a few good songs pre-Green Album, he descended into an ever-deepening chasm of suck in 2001. Make Believe is a step in the right direction, but I have a sinking feeling that he's taking too-small steps to "get there" before Weezer disbands. It's tragic, but at least Rivers is less screwed up than he used to be and is more receptive to revisiting the past now.
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Post by duck182 on Apr 1, 2007 3:09:55 GMT -5
While I definitely prefer one to the other, there's no arguing that both Nirvana's "Nevermind" and PearlJam's "Ten" blew the world away within a month of each other. Also, Appetite for Destruction, anyone? Nevermind was Nirvana's second album, their first being Bleach in 1988.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Apr 1, 2007 13:55:26 GMT -5
While I definitely prefer one to the other, there's no arguing that both Nirvana's "Nevermind" and PearlJam's "Ten" blew the world away within a month of each other. Also, Appetite for Destruction, anyone? Nevermind was Nirvana's second album, their first being Bleach in 1988. Wasn't Bleach an independent release/demo? I definitely remember it being re-released after Nevermind hit it big.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Apr 1, 2007 14:02:47 GMT -5
Either way, I don't think that counts as a debut. Look up their discography anywhere and it's always listed below Bleach. Bleach is raw and rough, but it's still their first LP.
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Post by mightyjack on Apr 1, 2007 14:05:20 GMT -5
They had a lot of local release singles and songs on compilation albums, many which were later collected on Insecesticide. But Bleach was their first official full length CD and was released before Nevermind on Sub Pop records.
Geffin later got a hold of it and re released it in '92 which might be why it is perceived as coming afterwards.
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Post by mightyjack on Apr 1, 2007 14:26:18 GMT -5
In reality, Sharp had very little to do with the songwriting and, well, anything musical. Rivers wrote virtually everything, from vocal parts to bass lines. Sharp did, of course, add style and a vibe that is sorely missing from them today. He won't be coming back long-term for a while, though - Matt's off with the reunited Rentals now, touring and prepping a new album. I guess I should have been clearer and stated that he probably had a bigger influence than anyone thought. And he later did sue over songs he worked on and helped write. When your in the studio a song can take a whole new shape and form from what it's author originally intended. A song I wrote on this CD I've been working on took on a new life just from contributions and suggestions made my the engineer. In the credits I'll get sole credit for writing, arranging and playing all the instruments on the tune. But the influence from others is undeniable and helped make the song better than it was. I believe having a talent like Sharp around made Rivers better. In a creative situation, things have a way off rubbing off on a person, challenging them, inspiring them, etc. Rivers has gotten very, very simplistic lately. The last CD showed some promise musically, but my God, some of the lines he wrote made me wince from embarrassment. Lets buy the man a thesaurus. ;D
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Apr 1, 2007 15:51:46 GMT -5
I guess I should have been clearer and stated that he probably had a bigger influence than anyone thought. And he later did sue over songs he worked on and helped write. When your in the studio a song can take a whole new shape and form from what it's author originally intended. A song I wrote on this CD I've been working on took on a new life just from contributions and suggestions made my the engineer. In the credits I'll get sole credit for writing, arranging and playing all the instruments on the tune. But the influence from others is undeniable and helped make the song better than it was. I believe having a talent like Sharp around made Rivers better. In a creative situation, things have a way off rubbing off on a person, challenging them, inspiring them, etc. Rivers has gotten very, very simplistic lately. The last CD showed some promise musically, but my God, some of the lines he wrote made me wince from embarrassment. Lets buy the man a thesaurus. ;D Matt may have sued and made claims, but the band's story has always been (and continues to be) that Rivers wrote every one of Matt's basslines and vocal parts for the album. I'm sure he could've contributed in other ways, off the record, but it's definitely been maintained that Rivers wrote everything (unless it was otherwise noted). If you know anything about how anal and controlling Rivers used to be, then it's no surprise. I don't want to call Matt a liar, and the case was settled, but I find it very convenient that Matt sued the band right when his solo career was tanking. I honestly don't really put too much stock in his claims; the suit always felt like there was more to it than what met the eye. But I am/was a Weezer nerd, so forget me. Yeah, I think Rivers' new at-peace, hippy crap has dulled his creative senses even more than they were when he was an ass. Sadly, the band actually had a big batch of pretty damn good demos in mid-to-late 2002. He later scrapped them, went on his meditation binge, and then came back and made Make Believe. Sigh. (I can send you those demos, if you're ever interested.) And now that he's married... well, who knows?
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Post by Shep on Apr 1, 2007 15:58:35 GMT -5
Joy Division's "Unknown Pleasures" is another fantastic debut. (Pretty much everything from that band was amazing IMO)
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Post by Hoss Ragen on Apr 1, 2007 16:03:15 GMT -5
Yeah, Nirvana had that cool Shocking Blue ("Love Buzz") cover on there.
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Post by Bixby Snyder on Apr 1, 2007 20:02:03 GMT -5
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn- Pink Floyd
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Post by Wild Rebel on Apr 1, 2007 20:06:00 GMT -5
"Garbage" by Garbage "Tales of Mystery and Imagination" by Alan Parsons Project
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Post by satanicsprite on Apr 5, 2007 2:39:39 GMT -5
The Ramones and Pink Floyd have already been mentioned (and the New York Dolls!), but here's a few:
Cheap Trick - s/t Van Halen - s/t Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks... The Clash - s/t Damned - Damned Damned Damned The Saints - (I'm) Stranded Devo - Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! Pretenders - s/t Black Flag - Damaged (1st full-length) Gun Club - Fire Of Love Flipper - Album R.E.M. - Murmur (1st full-length) Metallica - Kill 'Em All Venom - Welcome To Hell Lemonheads - Hate Your Friends
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darkglasses
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Post by darkglasses on Apr 5, 2007 15:35:39 GMT -5
favs- Cheap Trick Pretenders Boston Oasis - Definitely Maybe R.E.M - Murmur The Doors Sex Pistols - Nevermind... The Strokes - Is This It
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