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Post by notundercovercop32 on Jan 30, 2012 23:30:03 GMT -5
I was watching Jack Frost and I noticed that when Ivanushka is trying to help people so he can transform into a human again he comes across a man who claims he's blind and crippled. When the blind man see's Ivan he runs a way and Mike comments, "Grow your Legs back and regain your sight". Mabye it's just me but I think that's what the movie was going for. Implying that the beggar was not really blind or crippled but claiming he was to get money, But I don't think the MST crew picked up on it. Are there any other plot points or occurances in MST movies you think the Brains misunderstood?
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Post by TheNewMads on Jan 31, 2012 2:15:16 GMT -5
ever notice that in "Pod People," J&tBs make a lot of jokes calling trumpy a murderer ("I think what Trumpy's done is gooooood....."), seemingly not getting that there were two aardvark aliens, and trumpy was the good one and was basically being framed for what the bad alien did. i dunno if it was opportunism or if they really somehow managed not to catch this, but Pod People is such a badly made film maybe they really did snooze through that part.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Jan 31, 2012 5:03:45 GMT -5
Guys guys guys... it's all about the laughs. I think they got it - heck I think most of us got it. But we laugh because the skewed MST world-view is much funnier. I think the Frost line is rather Pythionesque/Life of Brian = finding a miracle when there isn't one. It's like the Steve's in Blood Beast. We all get it, we (and they) know who Steve really is. But it's much more fun to play with it and pretend you "don't" get it. Got it?  |
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Post by Dave Walker on Jan 31, 2012 11:45:52 GMT -5
I have to agree with MJ here. Another good example would be The Day the Earth Froze. They claim to not know what a Sampo is, but very deliberately talked over the explanation earlier.
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Post by Torgo on Jan 31, 2012 11:51:58 GMT -5
Another example of what MJ and Dave are saying: Fred Burroughs was the rotund black guy in Future War, but Mike and the gang intentionally missed it to make us laugh at their cluelessness of who the name Fred Burroughs belonged to.
And damn, was it funny.
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Post by brandonakaxerxes on Jan 31, 2012 12:06:06 GMT -5
ever notice that in "Pod People," J&tBs make a lot of jokes calling trumpy a murderer ("I think what Trumpy's done is gooooood....."), seemingly not getting that there were two aardvark aliens, and trumpy was the good one and was basically being framed for what the bad alien did. i dunno if it was opportunism or if they really somehow managed not to catch this, but Pod People is such a badly made film maybe they really did snooze through that part. The thing is, when that headband lady (forgot her name) gets killed in the trailer, sure we're supposed to assume it's the evil Trumpy, but the evil Trumpy was JUST SHOWN IN A PREVIOUS SCENE miles and miles away at another cabin!!! I suppose there could have been two evil aliens. Or they can teleport. The movie doesn't make it clear. I chalk it up to bad writing. |
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Post by continosbuckle on Jan 31, 2012 12:23:46 GMT -5
ever notice that in "Pod People," J&tBs make a lot of jokes calling trumpy a murderer ("I think what Trumpy's done is gooooood....."), seemingly not getting that there were two aardvark aliens, and trumpy was the good one and was basically being framed for what the bad alien did. i dunno if it was opportunism or if they really somehow managed not to catch this, but Pod People is such a badly made film maybe they really did snooze through that part. The thing is, when that headband lady (forgot her name) gets killed in the trailer, sure we're supposed to assume it's the evil Trumpy, but the evil Trumpy was JUST SHOWN IN A PREVIOUS SCENE miles and miles away at another cabin!!! I suppose there could have been two evil aliens. Or they can teleport. The movie doesn't make it clear. I chalk it up to bad writing. Yeah, it was weird, and it's not even a time thing, because the evil Trumpy beat the angry old guy back to the house, on foot, and the angry old guy had his SUV. Maybe the road the guy took was a huge U, but it's pretty doubtful. After all, the terrain Andy Travis and the angry guy were shown driving over was completely different. |
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Post by TheNewMads on Jan 31, 2012 12:35:29 GMT -5
i'd be more inclined to guess bad editing. either they cut out a scene that got evil trumpy back to the house/trailer or they switched some scenes somewhere.
in either case i think we can all agree that what trumpy did was gooooooooood......
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Post by continosbuckle on Jan 31, 2012 12:47:08 GMT -5
i'd be more inclined to guess bad editing. either they cut out a scene that got evil trumpy back to the house/trailer or they switched some scenes somewhere. Nah, it's the old monster movie trope: When the monster is not on screen, he can move as fast as he wants. This is why, when you're being chased by a monster in a movie, you should keep the monster in the shot with you, even if it means slowing down. Once he goes off shot, he'll teleport or catch up. To be serious, it's not bad editing unless they cut out a scene that showed the old guy doing something other than driving right home after Evil Trumpy attacked him at the ranger station. It's just a major screwup. |
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Post by brandonakaxerxes on Jan 31, 2012 16:14:48 GMT -5
Nah, it's the old monster movie trope: When the monster is not on screen, he can move as fast as he wants. This is why, when you're being chased by a monster in a movie, you should keep the monster in the shot with you, even if it means slowing down. Once he goes off shot, he'll teleport or catch up. Oh, is THAT what the people in "The Creeping Terror" were trying to do? Didn't work out too well though. |
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Post by dph on Feb 4, 2012 20:30:37 GMT -5
I would have to say when they edited the first monster fight out of Gamera vs. Barugon just to make the joke about Gamera hardly being in the movie.
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Post by jkazoolien on Feb 11, 2012 1:54:37 GMT -5
I was watching Jack Frost and I noticed that when Ivanushka is trying to help people so he can transform into a human again he comes across a man who claims he's blind and crippled. When the blind man see's Ivan he runs a way and Mike comments, "Grow your Legs back and regain your sight". Mabye it's just me but I think that's what the movie was going for. Implying that the beggar was not really blind or crippled but claiming he was to get money. In that same episode, when Ivan is turned back into his handsome self, Servo opines "So planning to do good is better than actually doing good?" Sure, it's for the lulz, but the point was actually that Ivan helped that old lady because he thought it would make his looks come back, and when they didn't, he angrily declared he'd never look at himself again. So when he comes across her walking stick, he chooses to return it to her, not because it will make his looks come back, but because he was genuinely concerned about her. Thus, he learned his lesson, and got his looks back. The fact that he got dizzy, throws the stick down, and it disappears does muddle the moral a bit, I'll admit. |
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Post by Emperor Cupcake on Feb 13, 2012 21:44:07 GMT -5
I was watching Jack Frost and I noticed that when Ivanushka is trying to help people so he can transform into a human again he comes across a man who claims he's blind and crippled. When the blind man see's Ivan he runs a way and Mike comments, "Grow your Legs back and regain your sight". Mabye it's just me but I think that's what the movie was going for. Implying that the beggar was not really blind or crippled but claiming he was to get money. In that same episode, when Ivan is turned back into his handsome self, Servo opines "So planning to do good is better than actually doing good?" Sure, it's for the lulz, but the point was actually that Ivan helped that old lady because he thought it would make his looks come back, and when they didn't, he angrily declared he'd never look at himself again. So when he comes across her walking stick, he chooses to return it to her, not because it will make his looks come back, but because he was genuinely concerned about her. Thus, he learned his lesson, and got his looks back. The fact that he got dizzy, throws the stick down, and it disappears does muddle the moral a bit, I'll admit. This is exactly the scene I thought of as I read through this thread. I mean, I agree that oftentimes the boys will pretend they're being obtuse for the sake of a joke, and I don't mind that, but for some reason this one kinda rubbed me the wrong way. It was obvious that Ivan was only trying to do good things for selfish reasons before, which is why he kept the bear head. Picking up the old woman's stick was the first time he acted out of pure unselfish consideration for someone else, hence his being returned to human form. Yeah, it was weird that he didn't actually end up returning the stick to the old woman, who may or may not have existed in some Matrix projected by the mushroom dude to test Ivan, or whatever, so I can see how that whole ambiguity contributed to the joke, but for some reason it still bugs me. Not a lot, but slightly. :-) |
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Post by jkazoolien on Feb 14, 2012 23:33:21 GMT -5
The thing that always bugged me about Mitchell (I even started a topic over it a long while back) was how unbelievably disgusted they were by his behavior and appearance. Um, hello? Mitchell is supposed to be a morally reprehensible and physically disgusting human being. It'd be like if they were watching Empire and they start riffing "I don't like that Darth Vader guy! Why's he gotta be so mean to Han Solo?" When I point this out to people, their response is generally "yeah, but he didn't have to be that disgusting!" That's probably what really pissed Joe Don off IRL, not that they were mean to him, but that they completely missed the point of the character, intentionally or not.
As others have pointed out, tho, they had every right to mock Joe Don's role in Final Justice, as they were trying to present him as an Alpha Male hero, and failed miserably.
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Post by hipsterthor on Feb 15, 2012 0:46:49 GMT -5
Always surprised they never remarked on Rick Baker and Stan Winston appearing in the credits of 2 of their movies.
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