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Post by Poe33 on Jan 15, 2004 12:40:14 GMT -5
Has anyone ever read if Jim Mallon has a copy of Green Slime and K1-4???
As I build my DVD collection, I am going to REALLY want those to complete it!
I now have all of 2-4 on tape and all of 6-10 on DVD
I have half of Season 1 and most of 5 on tape and dvd....
But those K eps are the origins!
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Post by TomServo69 on Jan 15, 2004 12:48:45 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken then, yes, he does have those eps. As far as them being released, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Post by Poe33 on Jan 15, 2004 12:49:53 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken then, yes, he does have those eps. As far as them being released, I wouldn't hold my breath. Servo I wonder why? God! Any real red blooded MSTie would buy them in a heart beat! They should release a specal DVD.
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Post by LordKaT on Jan 15, 2004 12:55:14 GMT -5
There are a couple of scenarios here:
Jim has them, or Jim doesn't have them.
If Jim does have them, then there are a couple of situation why they were never released:
1) BBI has stated multiple times that they do not like Season 1. So, it is easy to conclude that they wouldn't like the KTMA episodes either. After all, if Season 1 was a "work in progress," then the KTMA days were a drug induced hallucination.
2) They never obtained the rights to the movies they riffed. Releasing them, in an age of super-anal copyrights, would be a bad thing.
3) Jim hates us.
--LordKaT
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Post by Poe33 on Jan 15, 2004 12:56:52 GMT -5
I am sure Jim does not hate us!
We should start a letter campaign to Jim. It would be such a fascinating historical DVD.
I LOVE the original door sequence. So ultra low budget.
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Post by mightyjack on Jan 15, 2004 13:18:51 GMT -5
Mallon has to have them since their are clips of them on the "Scrapbook" tape. He doesn't own the rights, that's true.
But the bottom line, as stated in the AECG, they are simply embarrassed by them and some of the season 1 eps.
They have said that "authors" and what not don't like to show you their early works... but that's bogus. For the sake of history, artisits early works are often shown. Writers do release their early stories and take the Beatles Anthology for example.
As a Beatles fan I treasure having those early formative songs on CD. I mean realistically no one expects something recorded on a reel to reel in Pauls bedroom when they were 15 to be brilliant. But it's interesting to hear how it started.
The gang should understand that. Only die hards are going to want them and most of them will appreciate that they are going to be raw. But we'd like to see them for the same reason Beatles fans wanted to hear those old outakes and failed songs on Anthology.
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Post by Poe33 on Jan 15, 2004 14:59:07 GMT -5
As a Beatles fan I treasure having those early formative songs on CD. I mean realistically no one expects something recorded on a reel to reel in Pauls bedroom when they were 15 to be brilliant. But it's interesting to hear how it started. Beautifully said and right on the money.
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Post by Rowsdower on Jan 15, 2004 15:33:53 GMT -5
You're forgetting that there is very little impetus for the re-release of this crap. There are dozens and dozens of shows that they haven't put on DVD or VHS...almost all of them superior to the KTMA days. If a large chunk of the world's population was screaming for this stuff and the money was there, the Best Brains people would release this stuff in a snap (i.e. they are not that embarrassed). But, the way things stand, there are not all that many fans and the money isn't there.
but here's the biggie: The Best Brains people know that fan copies exist and know they are changing hands every day...as much as they'd like to get in on the deal and profit from their work (which they should), they just don't have the power to get a distibution co. to put this stuff out.
I'm gonna stop here 'cause the beer is hitting me in a bad way...hence my grammar.
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Post by TV's Cowboy on Jan 15, 2004 16:35:51 GMT -5
I like what you said Mighty Jack but I think the ordeal is less about being embarrassed over the old days and more about those annoying copyright issues. Also even if they did decide to release the first 3 KTMA episodes + the pilot I find it unlikely that they can get the rights to K03 (Seeing as how that was a Sandy Frank film)
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Jan 15, 2004 19:54:40 GMT -5
True they say they hate the first season. But remember they have released 106- The Crawling Hand on DVD. Anyway I think much of the crew knows that after about 5 years of being cancalled the show has pretty much concreted itself as genius and releasing earlier episodes won't hurt at all. I think they also know that all fans are missing those episodes and would love to get them into their collection. One problem is rights though. K03- Star Force: Fugitive Alien 2 is a Sandy Frank property and we can assume is lost forever. The first two aired episodes were productions of Gerry & Sylvia Anderson. Don't know what their opinion would be. The pilot 'Green Slime' is a classic 1960's horror film. The rights probably wouldn't get be that hard to get. As for Jim Mallon hating us. He put up all that money for 11 years to put on the show. So be nice.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Jan 15, 2004 19:58:42 GMT -5
You're forgetting that there is very little impetus for the re-release of this crap. There are dozens and dozens of shows that they haven't put on DVD or VHS...almost all of them superior to the KTMA days. If a large chunk of the world's population was screaming for this stuff and the money was there, the Best Brains people would release this stuff in a snap (i.e. they are not that embarrassed). But, the way things stand, there are not all that many fans and the money isn't there. but here's the biggie: The Best Brains people know that fan copies exist and know they are changing hands every day...as much as they'd like to get in on the deal and profit from their work (which they should), they just don't have the power to get a distibution co. to put this stuff out. I'm gonna stop here 'cause the beer is hitting me in a bad way...hence my grammar. True they haven't released many episodes, but those episodes hold something over the others. They can't be obtained, you could download Godzilla vs. Megalon off the internet you can't do that with any of those episodes. Also who says they don't have a distribution co. to put it out. They put out 4 Sci-Fi episodes on VHS.
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Post by LordKaT on Jan 15, 2004 20:02:30 GMT -5
I wasen't ribbing Jim, I was just giving out options --LordKaT
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Jan 16, 2004 0:35:33 GMT -5
Okay, here're my irrational views on the matter. Feel free to ignore me, I'm generally in the wrong about stuff like this.
Anyway, we're probably going to be getting those episodes at some point in the future, with the possible exception of the Sandy Frank ep. Even if every former and current BBI member fights tooth and nail to keep the public from them, the tapes'll eventually pass on through the eventual deaths of their crew over the next forty or fifty years. They'll then fall into the hands of waiting second and third generation MSTies.
However, it's not impossible that they'll be released on video.
The problem, however, is with the profits. Sure, MST3K fans would purchase DVDs of the KTMA eps, we'd love to! But would the KTMA eps draw new fans? If a person were to accidentally watch the KTMA episodes before others, this person might never watch any other episode due to the cheap quality of it (a danger that still exists even by Season 10, come to think of it....but I digress).
Now, the most effective way to do this would be to release one of each of the four lost episodes in a DVD collection with three other episodes. Ergo, every true MSTie would pay for the entire 4-disc set for just K01, even if they've already seen the VHSs of the other three episodes. Meanwhile, those other three episodes keep the fanbase growing.
I don't see 'em implementing this plan, but that sounds like the surest way to make money on it.
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Post by Rowsdower on Jan 16, 2004 7:19:27 GMT -5
hey, wait a second...I have K04 - Gamera vs. Barugon, I downloaded it yesterday.
Aren't the missing episodes
K00 (pilot) - The Green Slime K01 - Invaders From The Deep K02 - Revenge Of The Mysterons K03 - Star Force: Fugitive Alien 2 ?
If not, I pulled off quite a feat.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Jan 16, 2004 7:51:05 GMT -5
Okay, here're my irrational views on the matter. Feel free to ignore me, I'm generally in the wrong about stuff like this. Anyway, we're probably going to be getting those episodes at some point in the future, with the possible exception of the Sandy Frank ep. Even if every former and current BBI member fights tooth and nail to keep the public from them, the tapes'll eventually pass on through the eventual deaths of their crew over the next forty or fifty years. They'll then fall into the hands of waiting second and third generation MSTies. However, it's not impossible that they'll be released on video. The problem, however, is with the profits. Sure, MST3K fans would purchase DVDs of the KTMA eps, we'd love to! But would the KTMA eps draw new fans? If a person were to accidentally watch the KTMA episodes before others, this person might never watch any other episode due to the cheap quality of it (a danger that still exists even by Season 10, come to think of it....but I digress). Now, the most effective way to do this would be to release one of each of the four lost episodes in a DVD collection with three other episodes. Ergo, every true MSTie would pay for the entire 4-disc set for just K01, even if they've already seen the VHSs of the other three episodes. Meanwhile, those other three episodes keep the fanbase growing. I don't see 'em implementing this plan, but that sounds like the surest way to make money on it. Hell if it was bad as say the Hamlet episode, I'd still buy more. It'd funnier then most TV shows on today. Maybe if they put a special intro at the beginning saying this is the fomative days and it gets better with time. Then give some DVD recommendations. Or just sell it on BBI's website.
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