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Post by Reuisu on Mar 6, 2005 2:28:00 GMT -5
Why did Burt I. Gordon make a sequel to the Amazing Collosal Man? ^_~
Because they felt like it! As such, I look forward to the Time Chasers sequel and seeing of Big-Chinned Nick will once again resume his time-traveling.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 2:37:40 GMT -5
Why did Burt I. Gordon make a sequel to the Amazing Collosal Man? ^_~ Because it actually DID do reasonably well. This makes no sense. Really whoever is running this company is a braindead idiot. Okay, so you broke even on this movie, and became a semi-cult movie. Unless, they REALLY pinch every penny, they're not going to see a profit at all. How do they plan to get this out to the public? How many MST3K fans are going to hear about this? They can't advertise on their show, MSt3K is gone, how many fans who originally watched Time Chasers in 1997 are going to hear about this now?
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 6, 2005 2:43:08 GMT -5
Well, they all should have died. That would have made it interesting, everyone dying a fiery death. Servo
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 2:46:05 GMT -5
Well, they all should have died. That would have made it interesting, everyone dying a fiery death. Servo I would have enjoyed that on the last episode of Friends.
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 6, 2005 2:59:26 GMT -5
I would have enjoyed that on the last episode of Friends. Nah, I would have preferred a good stoning for that one. Or buried up to their necks on the beach and let crabs eat away at their faces. Fire is too good for "Enemies".... Servo
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 6, 2005 9:59:48 GMT -5
This makes no sense. Really whoever is running this company is a braindead idiot. Okay, so you broke even on this movie, and became a semi-cult movie. Unless, they REALLY pinch every penny, they're not going to see a profit at all. How do they plan to get this out to the public? How many MST3K fans are going to hear about this? They can't advertise on their show, MSt3K is gone, how many fans who originally watched Time Chasers in 1997 are going to hear about this now? The thing about being an independent film studio, you don't have to really worry about something being profitable. Wait, that came out wrong. What I mean is Time Chasers 2 probably wouldn't be any less marketable than anything else "original" they could come up with. Direct-to-video is direct-to-video. For some reason they see Time Chasers as their cult classic, or something, and apparently they want to revisit it. Hey, fine with me! In all honestly, don't you think MST3K fans are the film's biggest audience? I mean, most people who were exposed to the film saw it on the show, right? I mean unless you worked on the film or were one of the four people who saw it at some obscure Vermont film festival. Time Chasers 2 probably won't turn them a profit, considering no knows about it, but isn't it the nature of the business to throw out cheap films and see if something sticks? These people obviously make these films out of love rather than for the money anyway. They always seem to mention MST3K when they talk about the film, as if it's some sort of honor. If they're really that cool about the MST3K guys, why don't they just sign a deal with the Film Crew now and get a commentary on the DVD? Or hey, if the film crew can do commentaries and Best Brains can license out Mike and the 'bots to "Cheap Seats," there's no reason not to have a real MST3K for this flick already in the bag! Well, let's see if they make it first.
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Post by ChrisDalek on Mar 6, 2005 10:20:39 GMT -5
I'm actually quite looking forward to this now. How sad is that? Of course, if ol JK ain't in it, I probably wouldn't bother tracking it down...
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Post by Torgo on Mar 6, 2005 11:05:33 GMT -5
That just got me to thinking. Why make a sequel to a movie that BARELY broke even, and that's because it was mocked on a show cancelled six years ago. Why make a sequel to Baby Genuises, when the original is universally hated as much as it is? That spells bomb all over it. Next Hollywood is planning House of the Dead 2 (no joke, look it up on IMDB), a sequel to the equally despised Uwe Boll mess...I mean movie. Who knows what goes on in the heads of the people who make movies. Time Chasers at least has the MST3K fanbase who might go see it for a laugh. However, if there was one MSTed movie to make a sequel after the show got cancelled, just be glad it's Time Chasers. I'm not sure I could handle a Werewolf 2.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 11:08:35 GMT -5
The thing about being an independent film studio, you don't have to really worry about something being profitable. Wait, that came out wrong. What I mean is Time Chasers 2 probably wouldn't be any less marketable than anything else "original" they could come up with. Direct-to-video is direct-to-video. For some reason they see Time Chasers as their cult classic, or something, and apparently they want to revisit it. Hey, fine with me! In all honestly, don't you think MST3K fans are the film's biggest audience? My point exactly. The show is gone, the casual viewer and probably most of the hardcore viewers have left. What's left? 1000 people on this message board? I mean, most people who were exposed to the film saw it on the show, right? I mean unless you worked on the film or were one of the four people who saw it at some obscure Vermont film festival. Time Chasers 2 probably won't turn them a profit, considering no knows about it, but isn't it the nature of the business to throw out cheap films and see if something sticks? These people obviously make these films out of love rather than for the money anyway. They always seem to mention MST3K when they talk about the film, as if it's some sort of honor. If they're really that cool about the MST3K guys, why don't they just sign a deal with the Film Crew now and get a commentary on the DVD? Or hey, if the film crew can do commentaries and Best Brains can license out Mike and the 'bots to "Cheap Seats," there's no reason not to have a real MST3K for this flick already in the bag! Well, let's see if they make it first. What I'm thinking now with the Cheap Seats, on the set is if you move the couch out of the way, move some sort table in there, and you mights have a good makeshift MST3K host segment set. Think about it won't you.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 11:13:39 GMT -5
Why make a sequel to Baby Genuises, when the original is universally hated as much as it is? Okay, people don't seem to get it. Sequels are made TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF OF A PROFITABLE MOVIE. Bad movies can be profitable too people. That spells bomb all over it. Next Hollywood is planning House of the Dead 2 (no joke, look it up on IMDB), a sequel to the equally despised Uwe Boll mess...I mean movie. Budget=7 Million, Domestic Gross=10 Million, Profit=3 Million Compare to Time Chasers. Budget=Miniscule, Domestic Gross=Barely Miniscule, Profit=Probably Little off of Rhino DVD royalties Who knows what goes on in the heads of the people who make movies. Time Chasers at least has the MST3K fanbase who might go see it for a laugh. Yup, all 1000 of us. However, if there was one MSTed movie to make a sequel after the show got cancelled, just be glad it's Time Chasers. I'm not sure I could handle a Werewolf 2. I'm still looking for Pod People 2, not so much for the film, but more for either an explanation or an apology.
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Post by mightyjack on Mar 6, 2005 11:15:55 GMT -5
Actually Udvarnoky and Torgo are right.
If you ask why on this movie, you'd have to ask it for any of their productions. Nothing they make is going to be a blockbster. They do it because they love it.
And hey, with Time Chasers, it at least has received some publicity, it has a name in some circles.
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Post by Torgo on Mar 6, 2005 11:27:04 GMT -5
Okay, people don't seem to get it. Sequels are made TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF OF A PROFITABLE MOVIE. Bad movies can be profitable too people. Budget=7 Million, Domestic Gross=10 Million, Profit=3 Million Compare to Time Chasers. Budget=Miniscule, Domestic Gross=Barely Miniscule, Profit=Probably Little off of Rhino DVD royalties So what? I realize that. But it's still no excuse Even TriStar decided not to go ahead with Godzilla 2 after poor audience reaction (although it was still better recieved and more successfull than either Baby Genuises or House of the Dead). Why go through with it if you know it's going to flop? It's just idiocy. Time Chasers is an independant film. They're not as fond as profit as the big studios are. Sure, profit is great, but sometimes they like the thrill of making a movie just as much. I actually expect this movie to get sold to the Sci-Fi Channel as one of their "Sci-Fi Channel Originals." For some reason those seem to do well, no matter how terrible they can get. And reasonably good DVD sales if they included a commentary by the film crew. Boom, there's the profit right there. Refering to how many members on a message board, eh? One that's ever growing? There are a lot more MSTies than those who post here. Some of them may even have lives, unlike me.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 6, 2005 11:51:58 GMT -5
Okay, people don't seem to get it. Sequels are made TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF OF A PROFITABLE MOVIE. Yes, in the case of big studios. The faceless suits behind those places will gladly greenlight any horrid sequel as long as the original made money. Somehow I don't think Edgewood is hoping for a big break in sales with this one. Their incentive to make Time Chasers 2 is almost certainly for fun, or because they truly enjoy making these films. Also, Van Hagar, I'm curious as to what you amount the MST3K community to be. I'm not trying to claim Time Chasers has a serious MST3k fan base. But do you really think that after the show got cancelled, everyone who ever loved it just blew up, or erased all memory of its existence from their minds? Do you really think that the amount of people on this message board is seriously any testament to the amount of fans the show has? Just because people don't register on a forum doesn't mean they don't like the show. I've no doubt that people have gone into a store, seen a Rhino release, recognized the robots or something and say "Hey, yeah, MST3K!" and suddenly they're back in the saddle again. It's not that the fans have died, they're just in a latency period. ;D After all, it's not like MST3K is being poured down the public's throats in the media. No, I don't think MST3K fans could possibly make Time Chasers 2 financially successful on their own, but that's not really the point, is it?
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 12:24:43 GMT -5
So what? I realize that. But it's still no excuse Even TriStar decided not to go ahead with Godzilla 2 after poor audience reaction (although it was still better recieved and more successfull than either Baby Genuises or House of the Dead). Why go through with it if you know it's going to flop? It's just idiocy. I know it's not an excuse, and yes it is idiocy. Don't kill the messenger here. The fact is they make movies to make money. Time Chasers is an independant film. They're not as fond as profit as the big studios are. Sure, profit is great, but sometimes they like the thrill of making a movie just as much. Small studios have to think of making a profit, otherwise they won't be able to make movies. If this studios was just obssesed with making a movie for fun, then they would have gone bankrupt years ago. I actually expect this movie to get sold to the Sci-Fi Channel as one of their "Sci-Fi Channel Originals." For some reason those seem to do well, no matter how terrible they can get. And reasonably good DVD sales if they included a commentary by the film crew. Boom, there's the profit right there. Really? You see that? Not the Sci-Fi thing, I could see that as well, but BOOM make a profit? I personally don't, unless they REALLY don't spend money, and with a movie that likely needs some special effects, I can't see it. Refering to how many members on a message board, eh? One that's ever growing? There are a lot more MSTies than those who post here. Some of them may even have lives, unlike me. More MSTies than on this board? Sure. A LOT more MSTies than on this board? Maybe, depending on you perception of alot. Enough MSTies to make an independent film profitable? Not a chance. Most people have moved on with their lives. There are only a few dedicated fans like us left, I'm sorry but that's the way it is. You'll hear people talk about it on another message board, but they aren't going to be enough to pull some rinky dink movie out of the red.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 12:33:56 GMT -5
Yes, in the case of big studios. The faceless suits behind those places will gladly greenlight any horrid sequel as long as the original made money. Somehow I don't think Edgewood is hoping for a big break in sales with this one. Their incentive to make Time Chasers 2 is almost certainly for fun, or because they truly enjoy making these films. I honestly can't see that, if it wasn't as big a studio or as long lasting, I would agree, but this one seems to be for the money. Also, Van Hagar, I'm curious as to what you amount the MST3K community to be. I'm not trying to claim Time Chasers has a serious MST3k fan base. But do you really think that after the show got cancelled, everyone who ever loved it just blew up, or erased all memory of its existence from their minds? Not at all. It may sound corny, but MST3K will live in the hearts of anyone that saw it forever. HOWEVER, old fans of MST3K don't go to Satellite News everyday. I would think MOST old fans of MST3K don't even know of Satellite News, I'm talking casual fans, not the hardcores. I think most of the hardcore fans have moved on. Really that seems to be a big trait among MSTies is moving on. A good amount of people left after Joel left. A larger amount left after the switch to Sci-Fi, but they built themselves a new fan base out of many of the people that post here today. But I think it's fair to say after the show stopped running first run episodes, a lot of fans left the show behind. Same thing with the reruns. Sure they'll remember it, maybe they'll even pop in a tape if they still have them (and I'm still talking about the hardcores), but I think they thing is they moved on with their lives. Do you really think that the amount of people on this message board is seriously any testament to the amount of fans the show has? Just because people don't register on a forum doesn't mean they don't like the show. I've no doubt that people have gone into a store, seen a Rhino release, recognized the robots or something and say "Hey, yeah, MST3K!" and suddenly they're back in the saddle again. I'm sure it happens now and then, but it doesn't happen everyday. Let's say it happens every other day, that's about 183 new people per year. NOT A LOT. Without regular advertisements and other such stuff, they can't get old MSTies back like they should. It's not that the fans have died, they're just in a latency period. ;D After all, it's not like MST3K is being poured down the public's throats in the media. No, I don't think MST3K fans could possibly make Time Chasers 2 financially successful on their own, but that's not really the point, is it? I still think it is, but most people seem to disagree with me.
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