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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 6, 2005 14:15:25 GMT -5
Small studios have to think of making a profit, otherwise they won't be able to make movies. If this studios was just obssesed with making a movie for fun, then they would have gone bankrupt years ago. Don't get me wrong; I wasn't trying to say that they have complete freedom to do whatever the hell they want without having to worry about money. My point is that it's a completely different ballpark. Also, Edgewood is not just a "small studio." I'm sure they barely keep themselves running, and do what they do because they, as I said before, love doing it. The studio IS obsessed with just making movies. That's what independent film making is all about! Go backrupt? I doubt these guys take serious gambles like big studios do (like they'd have the money to do it anyway). They make movies if they can, when they can, how they can. Naturally I don't know anything about Edgewood but this is my guess. Again, I agree it's not enough people to make Time Chasers 2 a success, but I really think you're underestimating the amount of dedicated fans there are. And yes, there are A LOT more MSTies than are on this board. I don't think it's exaggerating to say that the amount of people registered on this board means absolutely nothing.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 14:20:50 GMT -5
And yes, there are A LOT more MSTies than are on this board. I don't think it's exaggerating to say that the amount of people registered on this board means absolutely nothing. Well, I guess your conception of A LOT is different from mine. I'm pretty sure we have the same number in mind, however I just don't think that number is going to make Time Chasers 2 a sucess, and neither do you. So I guess we agree with everything except what the word A LOT means.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 6, 2005 14:32:53 GMT -5
Argh. I meant to post this earlier. HOWEVER, old fans of MST3K don't go to Satellite News everyday. I would think MOST old fans of MST3K don't even know of Satellite News, I'm talking casual fans, not the hardcores. I think most of the hardcore fans have moved on. That they are unaware of places like Satellite News is my point. Are you equating ignorance with abandonment? If someone hasn't heard of Satellite News it means they've moved on or aren't "hardcore?" Of course not, it just means they've never heard of it. And is that really so unexpected? MST3K is advertised no where. Unless people specifically are looking for it then they may not find it. Just because we go to SN every day, talk about MST3K all the time, and visit this board doesn't make us anymore hard core or alive than any other MST3K fan. We're just making more noise. Lack of proper advertising is definitely a major culprit, but that really isn't surprising. People rediscover MST3K when they come across is on the web, or (more likely) spot it on a shelf in the DVD section. If our kind was really as miniscule as you assume, why would Rhino be putting out all these DVDs? No, they're not No.1 best sellers, but they are making money, and I assure you it's because people beyond the members of this board are purchasing them.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 6, 2005 14:35:47 GMT -5
Well, I guess your conception of A LOT is different from mine. I'm pretty sure we have the same number in mind, however I just don't think that number is going to make Time Chasers 2 a sucess, and neither do you. So I guess we agree with everything except what the word A LOT means. Well, I don't expect the other people I'm talking about to be aware of Time Chasers 2, just like they're not aware of this board (or maybe don't wish to join it). I guess what I'm saying is it has less to do with the amount of MST3K fans there are than with the amount of MST3K fans there are who actually go and willingly find out about Time Chasers.
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Post by LordKaT on Mar 6, 2005 14:37:59 GMT -5
Well, I guess your conception of A LOT is different from mine. I'm pretty sure we have the same number in mind, however I just don't think that number is going to make Time Chasers 2 a sucess, and neither do you. So I guess we agree with everything except what the word A LOT means. While you two are arguing over a word, I would like to point out that "a lot" is actually a phrase formed with two words.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 14:38:41 GMT -5
Well, I don't expect the other people I'm talking about to be aware of Time Chasers 2, just like they're not aware of this board (or maybe don't wish to join it). I guess what I'm saying is it has less to do with the amount of MST3K fans there are than with the amount of MST3K fans there are who actually go and willingly find out about Time Chasers. Yes, okay, now I agree with you here.
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Post by Torgo on Mar 6, 2005 14:46:20 GMT -5
I know it's not an excuse, and yes it is idiocy. Don't kill the messenger here. The fact is they make movies to make money. And that still doesn't explain why garunteed bombs are still made, even if it is for the money. Then why are they considering a sequel? Labor of love. It may not be much of a profit, but money is money. Some planned theatrical releases have done it before (Man-Thing for example). I never said they would definatly see this movie. But you said there were only 1000 of us, and that's a poor argument. There would have to be a lot more, otherwise the show wouldn't have lasted 10 years.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 14:59:45 GMT -5
And that still doesn't explain why garunteed bombs are still made, even if it is for the money. If it made money how is it a guarenteed bomb? I mean, I'm sure it'll bomb, but still. Then why are they considering a sequel? Labor of love. Maybe so, but why THAT movie? I said it wasn't THAT bad, but it wasn't that good either. It may not be much of a profit, but money is money. Some planned theatrical releases have done it before (Man-Thing for example). I never said they would definatly see this movie. But you said there were only 1000 of us, and that's a poor argument. There would have to be a lot more, otherwise the show wouldn't have lasted 10 years. Matter who is "us." Really there is probably little more than 1000 truly dedicated fans left. It's not the fault of others as they may not know what to do or where to go, but that's probably around what it is.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 6, 2005 15:05:47 GMT -5
Really there is probably little more than 1000 truly dedicated fans left. It's not the fault of others as they may not know what to do or where to go, but that's probably around what it is. And I was about to bail the discussion. Where do you get this number, anyway? And why does not knowing where to go mean you're not dedicated?
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 15:40:56 GMT -5
And I was about to bail the discussion. Where do you get this number, anyway? And why does not knowing where to go mean you're not dedicated? I'm sure they could if they would, but they just don't so they CAN'T be, not their fault. 1000 is the number of members we have.
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Post by Torgo on Mar 6, 2005 16:01:03 GMT -5
If it made money how is it a guarenteed bomb? I mean, I'm sure it'll bomb, but still. You take a movie that was successful by a few million dollars, but hated by critics and moviegoers alike, and make a sequel to it. That spells out B-O-X-O-F-F-I-C-E-P-O-I-S-O-N. Take a movie like Anaconda on the other hand, making the sequel to it was understandable, since while it is pretty damn hated, it does have a cult fan base and it was also much more successful than BG or HOTD. The sequel obviously didn't do as well, but it did decently. Baby Geniuses 2, however, was a bomb from the start. I never met one person who liked the original. Obviously someone liked it enough to pitch a sequel (maybe one of the people who worked on the first one?). If I recall, it did win an award of some kind back when it was released. I don't expect much out of this though. About two years ago, Universal and Jean-Claude Van Damme announced they were going to do Street Fighter 2 (with Van Damme's Universal Soldier co-star, Dolph Lundgren, in a role as well). Then the idea just seemed to fade away a few weeks later. Huh?
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 16:13:46 GMT -5
You take a movie that was successful by a few million dollars, but hated by critics and moviegoers alike, and make a sequel to it. That spells out B-O-X-O-F-F-I-C-E-P-O-I-S-O-N. Take a movie like Anaconda on the other hand, making the sequel to it was understandable, since while it is pretty damn hated, it does have a cult fan base and it was also much more successful than BG or HOTD. The sequel obviously didn't do as well, but it did decently. Baby Geniuses 2, however, was a bomb from the start. I never met one person who liked the original. Hey that's there thinking not mine. Obviously someone liked it enough to pitch a sequel (maybe one of the people who worked on the first one?). If I recall, it did win an award of some kind back when it was released. Well then isn't it OBIVIOUS someone liked one of the early movies you mentioned above to make a sequel? I don't expect much out of this though. About two years ago, Universal and Jean-Claude Van Damme announced they were going to do Street Fighter 2 (with Van Damme's Universal Soldier co-star, Dolph Lundgren, in a role as well). Then the idea just seemed to fade away a few weeks later. Me either. Anyway, this is a rumor about a production company FROM the production company. That's like when the WWE gives their little controlled rumors in their magazines of who's coming to the WWE, and they never do. HAHA, I've been asking myself the same thing when I read some parts of your post.
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Post by Torgo on Mar 6, 2005 16:16:43 GMT -5
Well then isn't it OBIVIOUS someone liked one of the early movies you mentioned above to make a sequel? Yes, that man's name is Jon Voight. I live to confuse. It's my thing.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 6, 2005 22:06:00 GMT -5
I'm sure they could if they would, but they just don't so they CAN'T be, not their fault. 1000 is the number of members we have. What, are they incapacitated or something? Because they're not registered on this board they're not dedicated fans? Ah, 1000 board members. Means nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2005 22:23:08 GMT -5
What, are they incapacitated or something? Because they're not registered on this board they're not dedicated fans? Ah, 1000 board members. Means nothing. Absolutely nothing. I think you're misunderstaing me. Either A) they don't know about the online aspects aren't as dedicated as us, nor could they be because they don't know, or B) they do, but they aren't on the board, BUT there aren't too many people like that. I think alot of the hardcore fans are here. Not a majority, but probably cloase.
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