RHINO DOESNT CARE

[Decisi8ns]

admin said:

"Also in Rhino news: Our contact at Rhino tells us (as we suspected) the glitches that people have noticed on the disks containing episode 603- THE DEAD TALK BACK in the Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection: Volume 8 (see below) came from the original source master. We are told that Rhino did its best to clean the problems up. They tell us the only other alternative was to find another episode. which would have meant "another long journey into the dark night of rights clearance and a significant delay of the release," our source says. "So we decided to go with it." There are no plans to offer replacement discs." (mst3k.com)

WHAT THE HELL. I'm surprised there hasn't been a post about this. They KNOW the episode is messed up and they STILL release it. What a bunch of dicks!

I'm confused...So Rhino won't replace the disk with a better version right? Then why did those ****S send me an E Mail telling me to send them the DVD?!

I really wish another company would make the MST3K sets and do them right.

[Nunyerbiz]

The least they could have done was to put a disclaimer right at the beginning of the episode that told us about the issues. Sure, people would have still complained but at least it would have been out in the open from the get go.

[Phantom Engineer]

nunyerbiz said:

The least they could have done was to put a disclaimer right at the beginning of the episode that told us about the issues. Sure, people would have still complained but at least it would have been out in the open from the get go.

Exactly. That would have been simple enough. You'd think they'd be smart enough to realize that after the Shrews fiasco.

[Blurryeye]

This is downright pathetic. If they were aware of the problems from the beginning, why did they take so long to respond to complaints about the disk? It's BS. If they knew about it, they should have warned people. If not, they should sincerely apologize.

They can try to cover their asses all they want, I know there is no excuse for releasing a disk from a bad master tape without any disclaimer. I'm not even going into the question of how long it would take to get the "rights" to another PD movie.

Rhino really is shoddy. I'm never pre-ordering a set again.

[Ratso]

Remember when all we wanted was special features? now what we really want is complete episodes that won't skip.

This is so damn ridiculous.

[Udvarnoky]

Maybe they didn't say anything because they assumed people would have realized it was unavoidable instead of suspecting some elaborate conspiracy.

[Nunyerbiz]

Well, that's kind of a ridiculous assumption to make. When you buy a DVD from a major manufacturer, you aren't thinking about potential problems with the master tape to DVD transfer. I would think the average consumer would blame the DVD or DVD player before they ever thought of the transfer.

[Udvarnoky]

But I mean realizing it was widespread issue I would have suspected tape problems (especially considering what the glitches look like) rather than negligence on Rhino's part.

[mightyjack]

Bush league jackasses.

There are options and avenues - That other cult show releases explore these avenues is legendary. Networks have copies, there are syndicated versions that can be tapped into, some eps have MSTHour versions that could be used to splice in better footage) - Rhino gets ONE copy and sends it out as is.

Bush league company.

[Nunyerbiz]

That's the whole problem with all these Rhino threads... the majority of stuff is speculation based on assumption. Has there been an official statement that says that Rhino only had one copy and didn't try to look for alternates? Maybe I missed it.

[Phantom Engineer]

udvarnoky said:

Maybe they didn't say anything because they assumed people would have realized it was unavoidable instead of suspecting some elaborate conspiracy.

Companies should not assume. Knowledge is power. If they know it, tell it. As Mighty Jack once said to me, that's a weak argument.

[mightyjack]

nunyerbiz said:

That's the whole problem with all these Rhino threads... the majority of stuff is speculation based on assumption. Has there been an official statement that says that Rhino only had one copy and didn't try to look for alternates? Maybe I missed it.

Get real, seriously with this companies track record. They didn't even bother to get the stinger for Atomic Brain for the DVD, long after they knew of the problem with the VHS copy.

Knowing how POed we are with the letters we've sent. I would hope even this shoddy B-Team would explain that they had exhausted every avenue and came up short. Again, when other companies are called out they do this. Several have spoken to TVShowsonDVD.com and explained the hows and why's when there is a problem.

Rhino has never given us the maximum effort. The proof is in the product.

[mightyjack]

phantomengineer said:

As Mighty Jack once said to me, that's a weak argument.

I did? Hmm and I'm still alive. ;D

[Don Quixote]

mightyjack said:

Rhino has never given us the maximum effort. The proof is in the product.

Doesn't this have to do with the false assumption that MST only has a handful of fans in every state? Or as it has been put 'A fanbase a mile long and an inch deep?'

Well, that's what I'm guessing at least. I don't pretend to speak for Rhino.

[Udvarnoky]

phantomengineer said:

Companies should not assume. Knowledge is power. If they know it, tell it. As Mighty Jack once said to me, that's a weak argument.

Well now we've got the knowledge. SN has posted their explanation. So instead of "I wish they would have said something" the complaints have shifted to "Well they shouldn't have released it in the first place."

Maybe they should have originally put a title card on the DVD explaining that the tape was the best they could get. Do you think none of this would have happened if they had?