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Post by agentcoop007 on Dec 3, 2006 16:32:06 GMT -5
I don't know if this is old news of not, but there has been so much talk about the rights to the Gamera movies/MST3K episodes, and if they will ever be released in a Rhino set.
Well I noticed the other day that on the "Pee-Wee's playhouse Vol. 2" DVD set there is a whole segment where they show all these clips from the gamera films while playing the gamera song.
The set was released by Image Entertainment, and i was wondering if they had the rights to do that?
Pee-Wee's playhouse had a habit of showing different strange clips from "Public doman" movies and short films.
Neil
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Post by beljah on Dec 3, 2006 19:18:34 GMT -5
Neil, I believe there's a difference in the rights for short clip like they did on PWFH and the rights for the bulk of the movie as would be required for the MST3K ep. It would be real nice if it did come to fruition.
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Post by jjb3k on Dec 3, 2006 21:22:59 GMT -5
Even if Rhino did manage to get the rights to the Gamera movies, that wouldn't be the end of the story because they'd also have to secure the rights to the Sandy Frank soundtracks. From what I understand, Sandy Frank Enterprises is still holding out for too much money.
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Post by agentcoop007 on Dec 3, 2006 21:28:16 GMT -5
Good point about the differences in short clips rights, although this was more like a whole segment of this Pee-Wee ep.
I can't tell you how weird it was when my 5 year old came running in telling me about this turtle monster she saw on TV.
Thanks for the feedback
Neil
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Post by travis on Dec 11, 2006 6:36:32 GMT -5
Even if Rhino did manage to get the rights to the Gamera movies, that wouldn't be the end of the story because they'd also have to secure the rights to the Sandy Frank soundtracks. From what I understand, Sandy Frank Enterprises is still holding out for too much money. Sandy Frank doesn't own the rights to the dubs he produced (He did so only for GAMERA and GAMERA VS. ZIGRA, I'm still not sure about GUIRON). Currently Neptune Media owns the rights to the original Gamera series (minus GAMERA SUPER MONSTER), according to Kadokowa. Rhino would either go to Neptune Media (if they still exist) or Kadokowa to get the rights. They might check with Sandy Frank just in case, since his name is on these productions, but he doesn't own anything of them now. MIGHTY JACK, FUGITIVE ALIEN I/II, and TIME OF THE APES would be easier... since Rhino could attempt to license them from Tsuburaya Productions (who made those TV series). |
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Dec 11, 2006 18:55:31 GMT -5
Even though Sandy Frank recorded the soundtracks, he has no rights or authority over them?
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Post by Captain Wrong on Dec 12, 2006 12:42:45 GMT -5
Even though Sandy Frank recorded the soundtracks, he has no rights or authority over them? I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this makes no sence at all. I'm still waiting for someone to prove to me that this is the case. |
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Post by Wild Rebel on Dec 31, 2006 21:07:41 GMT -5
Even though Sandy Frank recorded the soundtracks, he has no rights or authority over them? I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this makes no sence at all. I'm still waiting for someone to prove to me that this is the case. Well, unfortunately, it makes a lot of sense. Sort of like if the Japanese company that made the footage used in What's Up, Tiger Lily? wanted to release the film on DVD (don't know if it is already or not but that's not the point).... They'd own the visuals but they'd have to have Woody Allen's permission since he wrote the new dialogue. You see? What I still can't understand is all the Public Domain films Rhino still haven't used. I just bought a bunch of PC Treasure DVD's at Target ...one of which had The Violent Years (another had the Gamera film Destroy All Planets). I got them for a quarter a piece. If PC Treasures can get it to sell cheap, why can't Rhino? I just watched "It's a Good Life" in the Twilight Zone Marathon....Anthony's "TV Night" consisted of the stegasaurus fight we missed seeing in Lost Continent. Film clips have a different set of rules. Besides it could have been from that Destroy All Planets that I mentioned....the theme was all through that. |
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Post by ds_36 on Feb 25, 2007 8:09:01 GMT -5
Even if Rhino did manage to get the rights to the Gamera movies, that wouldn't be the end of the story because they'd also have to secure the rights to the Sandy Frank soundtracks. From what I understand, Sandy Frank Enterprises is still holding out for too much money. So use the original Japense language audio track and add English subtitles. Well it's better than nothing ;D |
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Post by braindeadzombie on Feb 25, 2007 17:30:52 GMT -5
Public demain versus an actual film with the copyright intact, George Romero must have always kicked himself when he changed the title to Night of the Ghouls to Night of the Living DEad but then neglected to add the copyright date to the title. Even Joel says it during Gamera: "Copyright MCMLXVII{something like that} Daieie!". Can't have things like that at all so no Gamera.
As for the dubbing, I have the Gamera/Guiron episode and a public domain copy called War of the Monsters and yes, the public domain film has better, noname dubbing. So the SF films have such a horrible soundtrack that they're just not as much fun without them. "Too much money"? Sounds like the point where quickly produced garbage becomes bonafide art.
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Post by Captain Wrong on Feb 28, 2007 14:57:18 GMT -5
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this makes no sence at all. I'm still waiting for someone to prove to me that this is the case. Well, unfortunately, it makes a lot of sense. Sort of like if the Japanese company that made the footage used in What's Up, Tiger Lily? wanted to release the film on DVD (don't know if it is already or not but that's not the point).... They'd own the visuals but they'd have to have Woody Allen's permission since he wrote the new dialogue. You see? No, that's my point exactly and an excellent example. I was saying it doesn't make any sense that SF wouldn't own the dubs his company created, but I'm tired of beating my head against the wall with that point.  And to braindeadzombie, the "public domain" versions of the Gamera films aren't really public domain. Everyone thinks they are, but it's just that the rights owners haven't stepped up. And that no name dubbing is (IIRC) the Titan studio that did Speed Racer and a ton of other stuff. One of the best dubbing houses ever, IMHO. |
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Post by braindeadzombie on Feb 28, 2007 19:40:36 GMT -5
The Gamera dub I have is from AIP television and they removed all copyright dates from the film. I didn't say the movie was PD, onlly that this version was {like NoTLD, it's kind of messy}. And AIP actually had a decent company do the dubbing? Incredible.
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