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Post by RafaelH on Apr 15, 2006 3:05:30 GMT -5
Where was all this "too soon, too soon" outrage when Fahrenheit 9/11 hit theaters? I bet the same ones who are screaming "too soon" now lined up to see F-9/11 a couple times. United 93, on the other hand, sounds like the perfect movie for anyone prepared to face the reality of our enemy. If this does not apply to you, I think it's high time you saw it. Have you seen the freaking movie? Then how do you now its the perfect movie to face the reality of the enemy? Especially if they just concentrate on the event of the hijacking of the plane? There have been a bunch of documentaries and stuff about 911 released. I'm pretty sure they go from both sides of the topic. I don't agree that it's too soon and that it should even be treated as just another movie. If it good it should be praised, if not it should be criticized.
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Post by In_Stereo on Apr 16, 2006 13:17:31 GMT -5
Have you seen the freaking movie? Then how do you now its the perfect movie to face the reality of the enemy? Especially if they just concentrate on the event of the hijacking of the plane? There have been a bunch of documentaries and stuff about 911 released. I'm pretty sure they go from both sides of the topic. I don't agree that it's too soon and that it should even be treated as just another movie. If it good it should be praised, if not it should be criticized. I know it's the perfect movie because it just concentrates on the hijacking of the plane. It doesn't go into all the politics surrounding 9/11. It's about what the terrorists did and what the people did. No, I haven't seen the film yet (I plan to), but I've read the reviews and summaries and that's what it sounds like. BTW, rafael, can I ask why you have to throw a conniption fit every time I make a post? You even say you agree with me here, but you still feel the need to play devil's advocate! Cool down. In_Stereo is not automatically wrong just because he posted in a political thread (and you're not the only one around here who likes to think that).
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Post by RafaelH on Apr 16, 2006 15:37:56 GMT -5
Have you seen the freaking movie? Then how do you now its the perfect movie to face the reality of the enemy? Especially if they just concentrate on the event of the hijacking of the plane? There have been a bunch of documentaries and stuff about 911 released. I'm pretty sure they go from both sides of the topic. I don't agree that it's too soon and that it should even be treated as just another movie. If it good it should be praised, if not it should be criticized. I know it's the perfect movie because it just concentrates on the hijacking of the plane. It doesn't go into all the politics surrounding 9/11. It's about what the terrorists did and what the people did. No, I haven't seen the film yet (I plan to), but I've read the reviews and summaries and that's what it sounds like. BTW, rafael, can I ask why you have to throw a conniption fit every time I make a post? You even say you agree with me here, but you still feel the need to play devil's advocate! Cool down. In_Stereo is not automatically wrong just because he posted in a political thread (and you're not the only one around here who likes to think that). The Perfect movie? It could be horrible. The acting could be awful and the story could be biased for the people who act on the plane. How can it accurately depict what happened when they were no survivors and thus no 1st person account. The movie could be great. It could really show what it is like to be trapped in a plane with the hijackers. Or it could be awful. The fact is that certain people, just because it depicts flight 93 and the 911 are going to just praise it without seeing it or even have an idea of the script or how it takes on the subject. It reminds me of the people who wanted to give an Oscar to The Patriot which is as bad as the Fahrenheit 911 is god truth people.
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Post by spacechief on Apr 18, 2006 4:53:24 GMT -5
I know it's the perfect movie because it just concentrates on the hijacking of the plane. It doesn't go into all the politics surrounding 9/11. It's about what the terrorists did and what the people did. No, I haven't seen the film yet (I plan to), but I've read the reviews and summaries and that's what it sounds like. BTW, rafael, can I ask why you have to throw a conniption fit every time I make a post? You even say you agree with me here, but you still feel the need to play devil's advocate! Cool down. In_Stereo is not automatically wrong just because he posted in a political thread (and you're not the only one around here who likes to think that). The Perfect movie? It could be horrible. The acting could be awful and the story could be biased for the people who act on the plane. How can it accurately depict what happened when they were no survivors and thus no 1st person account. The movie could be great. It could really show what it is like to be trapped in a plane with the hijackers. Or it could be awful. The fact is that certain people, just because it depicts flight 93 and the 911 are going to just praise it without seeing it or even have an idea of the script or how it takes on the subject. It reminds me of the people who wanted to give an Oscar to The Patriot which is as bad as the Fahrenheit 911 is god truth people. It will be great for the very simple reason that all 40 families have signed off on it. In other words the story will be honoring and respectful to the dead. All initial reviews coming out are great. In other words the movie will be great. Sometimes you can know a movie will be great without seeing it.
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Post by In_Stereo on Apr 18, 2006 10:03:44 GMT -5
Don't even bother, spacechief, you think rafael's gonna listen?
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Post by RafaelH on Apr 18, 2006 16:04:06 GMT -5
The Perfect movie? It could be horrible. The acting could be awful and the story could be biased for the people who act on the plane. How can it accurately depict what happened when they were no survivors and thus no 1st person account. The movie could be great. It could really show what it is like to be trapped in a plane with the hijackers. Or it could be awful. The fact is that certain people, just because it depicts flight 93 and the 911 are going to just praise it without seeing it or even have an idea of the script or how it takes on the subject. It reminds me of the people who wanted to give an Oscar to The Patriot which is as bad as the Fahrenheit 911 is god truth people. It will be great for the very simple reason that all 40 families have signed off on it. In other words the story will be honoring and respectful to the dead. All initial reviews coming out are great. In other words the movie will be great. Sometimes you can know a movie will be great without seeing it. I went to Rotten Tomatoes and it didn't have enough reviews to be listed. The fact the family members signed it could be that its a solid movie or it could not. My point isn't that if it's good or not. The movie could be great. It could be a masterpiece. It could also not be great. My point is that you two are full of it. You said it shows that the US has an excuse to go to war. In Stereo went on about how its the perfect movie for anyone prepared to face the reality of our enemy. How would you know that? How could it be show the true reality if it only shows an event.? It could do it but you have no idea how it is going to be and it just hype and people rallying because it may share your cause. It's like the people who protest movies before they come out based on what they seen.
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Post by In_Stereo on Apr 19, 2006 13:33:02 GMT -5
See what I mean?
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Post by RafaelH on Apr 20, 2006 17:24:04 GMT -5
Great argument. And I listened, just didn't buy it.
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Post by losingmydignity on Apr 20, 2006 20:24:16 GMT -5
Anyway, the family's involvement or not.....the jerks in Hollywood just want to make money. They wouldn't make this movie for any other reason...not matter what they say.
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Post by spacechief on Apr 23, 2006 5:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by themanosguy on Apr 23, 2006 18:43:58 GMT -5
I've had my ramblings about the 9-11 movies, and people sometimes end up confused about where I stand.
I say make as many as you damn well please.
I also say it's gross exploitation.
But, you see, there is never too soon. Is it too soon after Christopher Reeves death for a Superman movie, or was it ever too soon for that? We have to stop thinking that we should remember a tragedy for some time in our schools, homes, and work places, but it does not belong on the TV or at the theater.
There is nothing wrong with making movies about tragedies. How about you go and bitch about Titanic? Just because we didn't live through it, is it any less exploitative?
I don't know where we get this whole "There needs to be time" trip. You don't think the movie is appropriate, then don't see it. I sure won't.
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Post by In_Stereo on May 7, 2006 23:12:30 GMT -5
I just came back from seeing United 93.
Wow.
I stand by what I said, that the movie is perfect for those who are still not sure why we're at war. It's not "too soon" because the movie takes you back to that day, and suddenly it's 7 A.M. all over again, and the day is unfolding anew. "Too soon" might have been the week after, but this is near-perfect timing. It's also not exploitation, because the characters are not politically spun in any way; Bush is only mentioned once, and then not even by name. Exploitation was Fahrenheit 9/11, which turned 9/11 into both a comedy and a political point, whereas this couldn't have presented the heroism of the passengers more tastefully. It's just as if someone were able to get a camera on board and into the control rooms and simply record what happened. The heroes in this movie, and as we saw on 9/11, were the Americans. The bad guys, like it or not, were the terrorists. That's a distinction that people are getting wrong more and more these days. If anyone can look this movie in the eye and say that the heroes onboard flight 93 were less justified in their actions than the terrorist extremists, then you're in my prayers, because there isn't much hope left for you.
God bless all the people killed in and touched by this malicious terrorist slaughter, God bless all the cool heads that were in control and prevented more death, God bless all those out to kill these killers, and God Bless the United States of America.
In In Stereo Stereo (R-MST3K)
BTW, rafael, shut the hell up. I'm really not in the mood to hear one of your snarky little first-grade, "I always have to have the last word" comebacks. I'm just not. So skip it.
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Post by StreetDreamer83 on May 8, 2006 16:59:32 GMT -5
I just came back from seeing United 93 as well... I'm not going to say whether or not the film was good or bad because in this case, that issue isn't pertinent in my opinion. I'll just say that it is a very, very powerful film that everyone should see, regardless of how they feel about the film being made too soon, or it being another Hollywood money-grubbing project. This film also does not open up political issues, although if one wants to look hard enough into it, I'm sure they could find something. In my view, nothing was glorified, and the story was told plainly and as honest and truthful to the facts as it possibly could have been told. This film makes me wish that a certain group of people my age and younger could really understand how important that day is to all of America. It saddens me that there are those people who don't understand, or frankly don't care about 9/11 because the events on that date didn't directly effect them. Hopefully this film will help people remember that day and it's importance in all of our lives.
Matt
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Post by mightyjack on May 8, 2006 17:08:41 GMT -5
I can't, I just can't watch this. Not right now. It might very well be a brilliant film that should be seen. But I'm not ready yet. I can't even listen to those tapes they play on shows like 60 Minutes. Just the idea of going to see this film sets me in a tailspin of depression.
I'm not judging anyone who goes to see it. But I'm not ready for it personally.
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Post by StreetDreamer83 on May 8, 2006 17:11:55 GMT -5
That is understandable.
Matt
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