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Post by Mod City on Jan 15, 2008 0:39:17 GMT -5
I should add that the shadowrama effect was much less invasive than I thought it would be based on the preview. It really opened the screen up instead though. I definitely agree. After I stopped watching the silhouettes specifically, I didn't really notice them unless someone made a specific gesture. Very much like the old theater.
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Post by pablum on Jan 15, 2008 4:24:00 GMT -5
Pretty good for a first try. I'm in agreement with many of the reviews I've read here already. It does feel like a season 2 ep, which was a season where I felt MST3K was batting .500. Season 3-5 they were batting at or near 1.000.
Plenty of good riffs, and several that fell flat on me. If only MST3K had this great an introductory episode. I liked it and want to see more.
What a terrible movie and a great one to start off with. It was as funny as the riffing. The plastic spider especially.
If they're going to bother with the Time Tube then there needs to be an actual premise mentioned on the show. Sure the series has so far relied 100% on the internet and the MST3K fanbase who have seen at least one picture with a hazy answer, but I would certainly prefer at least an MST3K style hashing out of the plot. Maybe a verse or two in a song. Thats all we needed before. When Joel was sticking the DVD in the tube at the end, I felt like Servo going "huh?" at an incomprehensible scene during any given bad movie. Explanation please.
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Post by callipygias on Jan 15, 2008 12:24:11 GMT -5
The new Shadowrama's an impressive achievement. Going from the torsos of two puppets and one person to the full bodies of five people while actually giving a better view of the screen. Very true. I do miss them having characters to 'hide' behind. Losing the bots' naiveté hurt. That's the main reason I look forward to the fiction of CT developing. Even if it won't give them a puppet to "become" it will give them some kind of an onscreen persona or, since they're themselves, it'll at least give them a situation to live in while on screen. The fiction of it only matters to me as far as it will make them more comfortable being goofy.
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Post by pslowner on Jan 15, 2008 14:34:41 GMT -5
Got my DVD in the mail yesterday and watched it..... and was very pleased.
I like the Shadowrama setup and the interaction with the movie it lets them create. For older..... cheap..... movies like this that is needed as there can be a lot of dead air time on screen. It would NEVER work with Rifftrax as they tend to do more "active" movies and the Shadows would get lost in the film. So, what is good for one is not good for the other. So fans of both have something!
The riffing was damned funny. The "my name is Hedly" (from Blazing Saddles) in the opening credits was a good omen for me and I was not disappointed. Lots of big laughs, small laughs and smiles.
Great to hear Joel and Trace again. I knew Mary Jo could be a riot from her Glitter Rifftax and it would be good to get her some more lines. I was not real familiar with Josh's year one work so it was good to hear a new voice (new for me anyway) as well.
The Stephen Hawkings bit was good and it also showed that they can use the "guest cameos" as a substitute for the old SOL commercial break visits back to the crew. It helpf break up the movie. Pausing the film to talk also works.
The "time tube" is a bit of a mystery to me, but I am sure that will be explained over time. Hey, I dont need everything fed to me at once.
I am looking forward to more!
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Post by Reptilian Samurai on Jan 15, 2008 14:55:23 GMT -5
I actually really liked Josh's work in this, and am more interested now in checking out some season 1 MST. I love Kevin Murphy's Servo, but I am curious to see Josh's original take on the bot now.
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Post by BoB3K on Jan 15, 2008 15:02:19 GMT -5
Josh rocks. He has a very dry, quick wit. I think he makes most of the KMTA eps worth watching. I agree that he had some of the better quips in this first CT outing.
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Post by terry on Jan 15, 2008 15:03:20 GMT -5
Yeah yea, late, I know. But I agree with pretty much everything fishbulb33 said. 'Twas a good ole time all around!
Though I agree that the blood looked like paint, I still thought the surgery scenes were a bit on the gory side. Also the brain. Eaugh.
TRACE: There's always room for Jell-O!
Another favorite:
MARY JO: Are ya disappointed, boots?
And of course:
HIRED KILLER: He's gone. Nothing but ashes. FRANK: "Nothing but Asses?" That was on Cinemax last night!
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Post by Dr. Henry Krasker on Jan 15, 2008 15:36:24 GMT -5
This was my first chance to hear Mary Jo and Frank riffing, and they were both excellent. Joel, Josh and Trace were as good as I remember them. I thought Trace was miked differently from the others, though. His voice sounded a little more distant and slightly electronic.
The one Lindsey Lohan joke felt out of place. Those sort of current pop star jokes tend to date the show, since no one's going to remember her two years from now, much less 15 years from now.
In the chase scene, Trace jokes about a "'58 Impala in pursuit of a '62 Biscayne wagon". It's actually a 1960 Cadillac hardtop coupe in pursuit of a 1961 Ford Falcon wagon. It's a minor detail, I know, but they always seemed to get the car identifications right on MST3K. I wonder if the car guy in the writing crew was maybe Mike or Kevin or Jim or someone else not involved with CT?
I had no idea what the cylinder was that dropped from the ceiling during the end credits. So it's a time capsule? That could use some sort of explaining somewhere on the disc.
It sounds like I have nothing but complaints, but that's not true at all. I loved this release. I watched it last night with a buddy of mine, and we laughed our asses off. The Stephen Hawking bit was so unexpected, we didn't even believe it at first. We ran it back and watched it again just to see if it was real or not. A lot of other people have mentioned some of the better jokes, but one I haven't seen mentioned yet is when the monster is climbing the hill chasing the boy. "Fee, Fi, Fo- hey, a squirrel!" I'm very happy with the release, and I'm looking forward to more.
There's one ironic thing about the five of them that no one's mentioned so far. Joel is riffing with 4 different Mads.
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Post by MonsterX on Jan 15, 2008 15:53:23 GMT -5
I actually really liked Josh's work in this, and am more interested now in checking out some season 1 MST. I love Kevin Murphy's Servo, but I am curious to see Josh's original take on the bot now. I think Josh gets flack because of his Dr. Erhardt which yeah, wasn’t very good. However in season one he was the best riffer by far in my opinion. Thinking about how incredibly young he was KTMA-Season 1 makes his efforts seem all the more impressive. He’s an extremely talented dude and I’m thrilled that he’s back!
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Post by Robyn on Jan 15, 2008 16:01:15 GMT -5
There's one ironic thing about the five of them that no one's mentioned so far. Joel is riffing with 4 different Mads. Heh, we actually got into a whole discussion about that in this thread. Yeah, um, there was nothing on TV that day.
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Post by Dr. Henry Krasker on Jan 15, 2008 16:07:06 GMT -5
Heh, we actually got into a whole discussion about that in this thread. Yeah, um, there was nothing on TV that day. I should have realized I wasn't the first to make that observation.
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Post by Reptilian Samurai on Jan 15, 2008 16:20:04 GMT -5
I actually really liked Josh's work in this, and am more interested now in checking out some season 1 MST. I love Kevin Murphy's Servo, but I am curious to see Josh's original take on the bot now. I think Josh gets flack because of his Dr. Erhardt which yeah, wasn’t very good. However in season one he was the best riffer by far in my opinion. Thinking about how incredibly young he was KTMA-Season 1 makes his efforts seem all the more impressive. He’s an extremely talented dude and I’m thrilled that he’s back! Yeah, I gues Mary Jo gets the same flack. Both, I felt, were excellent cast additions to CT.
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Post by Miss Interoceter on Jan 15, 2008 16:59:21 GMT -5
I actually really liked Josh's work in this, and am more interested now in checking out some season 1 MST. I love Kevin Murphy's Servo, but I am curious to see Josh's original take on the bot now. I think Josh gets flack because of his Dr. Erhardt which yeah, wasn’t very good. However in season one he was the best riffer by far in my opinion. Thinking about how incredibly young he was KTMA-Season 1 makes his efforts seem all the more impressive. He’s an extremely talented dude and I’m thrilled that he’s back! I'll take flak for this, but I prefer Josh's Servo to Kevin's. (Also, it's not a good idea to watch a KTMA or Season 1 and then jump to say season 9. It is way too jarring an experience.
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Post by Bix Dugan on Jan 15, 2008 18:06:49 GMT -5
Damn. I had a pretty long post going, got interrupted, then closed the window by mistake!
Long story, short form.
Mary Jo's
"**sigh*** None!"
riff at the beginning let me know everything will be alright. I was worried that CT might not "grab me by the po-pos", but it did.
That movie was sooo strange. Having it thrust upon me, along with CT's debut, makes me think I was just dreaming last night, that no movie-maker named Al Adamson ever really existed.
At just after 12 minutes in, I heard an old friend. His name is Crow T. Robot.
I sometimes mention that I'm a Sirius Satellite Radio subscriber, and listen to a certain pelican-faced, egomaniacal personality who's humor is slightly more crass than this board permits. At just after 37 minutes, Joel let me know I'm in pretty good company. Stern was a riff source on MST3K, but IMO, only a regular listener would use the phrase "Howard 100". And the riff itself rang true. If you get in a taxi to get to the airport, and see a Sirius radio on the dash, by "Daring to ask for Howard 100" tells the driver you're a degenerate. But most cabbies welcome that request, because they just put the show on pause, in case you turned out to be a stiff.
I feel vindicated.
That's my short version. Long Live CT.
Edit: When the MST writers did their thing- watch movie, think of funny things, repeat, refine, assign riffs- and so on, there was no real connection between riffs and the person that thought of it. One reason was that some writers didn't sit in the theater. For instance: ..."never go to bed with wet hair" Crow: "Or a first date." IMO one of the best quips ever. Did Trace think of it? I don't know.
But CT has 5 writers, all in-theater. So the lines seem more likely to have originated with the person that said it.
Dear God that was a terrible movie. It was perfect!
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Post by Miss Interoceter on Jan 15, 2008 20:16:38 GMT -5
As for the movie itself, I have to comment on that surgery scene. I (thankfully) don't have a lot of experience with the dead, but where was all that blood coming from?? There's no blood pressure left so it shouldn't gush out like that, nor I would think be enough to "paint" one's entire skull with. For some reason that really bugs me. Also, instead of blowing up the Tab Hunter guy in the car, when you're already short a decent body, why not just say to him, Hey, come back to the office, we'll talk a little shop, I'll "pay" you, and then cut out his brain when he gets there? Total missed opportunity there. And, WHO WAS THAT GIRL IN THE DUNGEON? and what was with the other skeletons? That didn't make any sense, like any of the rest of it did. I could also ask, who were the two guys in the backseat of the wagon but again it seems superfluous. And why the flashback as to why the slow kid needed to wear the mask at the point when he would cease to exist. And those guys on the road, were they the same two red necks but just slightly older? And why am I trying to answer any of these questions at all?
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