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Post by BoB3K on Feb 12, 2009 13:17:07 GMT -5
Missile to the Moon (previously riffed by Mike and Fred Willard), Feb. 17 I already stated my annoynace of these rereleases in the House on Haunted hill thread, but if this is true, I officially no beating around the bush am calling BS double dipping. I've watched the Fred Willard one and it is fantastic. I think it is damn near MST3K quality. Booh-hiss to this whole re-release thing. I've already given up on Cinematic Titanic, and now I'm on the edge of giving up on RiffTrax.
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Post by quinnmartin on Feb 12, 2009 13:31:30 GMT -5
Missile to the Moon (previously riffed by Mike and Fred Willard), Feb. 17 I already stated my annoynace of these rereleases in the House on Haunted hill thread, but if this is true, I officially no beating around the bush am calling BS double dipping. I've watched the Fred Willard one and it is fantastic. I think it is damn near MST3K quality. Booh-hiss to this whole re-release thing. I've already given up on Cinematic Titanic, and now I'm on the edge of giving up on RiffTrax. Why would a Missle to the Moon re-do bother you? If you have the first one, and you love it, then you don't have to buy the new version. And if you're not buying the new version, it will have no affect on you. They can't "double-dip" you unless you choose to buy it, which I'm guessing you are not. Besides, I'm not sure how them re-doing certain movies is any different than the remakes that filled up much of season 3 of MST3K. Pretty much exactly the same, far as I can tell.
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Post by conoratrifftrax on Feb 12, 2009 13:53:36 GMT -5
If you liked Missile to the Moon with Fred Willard, you're perfectly legit in your desire not to get another version of the riffing, Fred was great. If you didn't check it out, but were leery of guest riffers, now's your chance. If you want a brand new commentary, NOTLD and Carnival of Souls should bookend it nicely. And if you want a new regular RiffTrax release, we will have one of those the week after Missile.
That's what's nice about our release schedule, if there's something you don't want, we'll hopefully have something more up your alley later. I'd hope it wouldn't make you that upset though, it's certainly not intended to.
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Post by Queen Shadowrama on Feb 12, 2009 19:55:23 GMT -5
If these re-dos mean that they'll have a larger variety of live show films to choose from, they can re-do all the PD films they want as far as I'm concerned. Plan 9 is hysterical and all, but an opportunity to see a different movie live is really exciting.
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Post by Zombiejesus on Feb 12, 2009 21:22:58 GMT -5
In short, I'm glad they found a way to be cost effective (business side) and mix it up for the fans. More please!
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Post by Mighty Jack on Feb 13, 2009 1:03:44 GMT -5
I don't mind if they do things over. Edvard Munch painted several versions of "The Scream" so on the creative side to it, I can understand it and don't have a problem with it.
I've said for years, before there was a CT or Rifftrax that I'd have loved to have had a redo of "Slime People". Take the best of what they did but add to it. Make it bigger, faster, stronger... take it from a fun season 1 ep, to something of season 5 quality.
I was more curious as to the thinking behind doing Missle. It's nigh perfect. I can understant the others, they needed some filling out riff-wise. Hearing talk about doing it live explains some of the reasoning behind it. Are their others?
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Post by dangfish on Feb 13, 2009 7:14:09 GMT -5
[quote author=conoratrifftrax board=rifftrax thread=16833 post=755212
That's what's nice about our release schedule[/quote]
What release schedule? Where is this officially posted? I always seem to accidently come across the news of a new release in the rifftrax forum somewhere. Now apparently they've announced several future rifftrax with dates and everything but I just explored the rifftrax forum (and yes....checked announcements and coming soon threads) and can't find it.
Should a diehard rifftrax fan really have to hunt for this stuff all the time? If you have a release schedule I've never understood why you simply wouldn't put it smack dab on the home page.
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Post by conoratrifftrax on Feb 13, 2009 11:32:55 GMT -5
We usually don't have a (public) release schedule. I believe these next three titles were announced in our most recent email blast, which you can sign up for here: server1.streamsend.com/streamsend/signup.php?cd=32261&ld=11Typically, we announce a full lengthtitle a week before it is released, to let people obtain the DVD. We announce on our forum in the coming soon thread: forum.rifftrax.com/index.php?board=24.0And on our homepage. Shorts usually are just announced via the email list when they're available.
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Post by BoB3K on Feb 13, 2009 13:56:25 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me how "fans" can so blindly defend their objects of fanitude. Why would a Missle to the Moon re-do bother you? Why doesn't it bother you? It's the same reason why people get bothered by bands releasing best-of CDs with one new track on them. It takes advantage of and rips-off the fans that have supported them from the beginning. I also think that it should be obvious why this is not the same as the MST3K redos. Those KTMA eps were amaturely produced, broadcast on a Public Access channel that went out to like 1/100th of the country, and then were never rebroadcast or made available in any other way. Redoing those movies during Season 3 for a real, national channel by a full staff makes perfect sense. Back to MttM, I didn't just "tune in" to RiffTrax 2 years ago and watch Missle to the Moon, and now this week I "tune in" and see it again with different riffs. No, I paid for a full copy of Missle to the Moon, and now they're trying to get me to rebuy the product, "but this time with new improved flavor riffs!". Oh, and let me say again to those who "don't understand" why this bothers me. I REALLY LIKED Missle to the Moon. It's probably in the top 2 or 3 riffed things I've seen since MST3K went off the air. I want lots more RiffTrax like Missle to the Moon, but instead they put out...Missle to the Moon again!! It's disappointing, and it bothers me. Which finally comes around to the fact that you really shouldn't be bothered by stuff you do to have fun and relax, which is how stuff like this can just sour you to the whole thing. Okay, I'll bow out now and let you guys go back to blindly adoring and defending them.
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Post by conoratrifftrax on Feb 13, 2009 14:18:27 GMT -5
Again, nobody expects you to buy a new copy of a riff if you're happy with the old one. I imagine that more people are happy with the Mike/Fred Missile to the Moon riff than are happy with the NOTLD or Carnival of Souls commentaries that were previously available, this will probably be the least popular of these recent releases. If you already have an NOTLD or COS DVD and would like a commentary for it that is more in the RiffTrax style than what you've got, check out the recently released Trax. If you didn't pick up Missile to the Moon because you'd prefer a commentary with M, K and B, now's a good time.
But don't let it irritate you. Like I said earlier, there is always something new coming, hopefully more to your liking.
For everyone else, thank you for your blind defending and adoration. There truly is no better form of adoration than blind adoration.
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Post by Queen Shadowrama on Feb 13, 2009 14:48:39 GMT -5
You beat me to it Conor. I was busy writing out my response, but what the hell, I worked on it, so I'll post it anyway: It never ceases to amaze me how "fans" can so blindly defend their objects of fanitude. Bob, I can respect a differing viewpoint, but why do you have to be so insulting? Just because some of us don't have a problem with these re-releases does not make us lesser fans. Calling us "fans" because we don't agree with your perspective only weakens your argument. By all means, voice your opinion about these things, but don't put us down while you're doing it. ...and now they're trying to get me to rebuy the product, "but this time with new improved flavor riffs!". I have yet to receive phone calls from Rifftrax after 9 PM trying to harass me into buying these Rifftrax. I get an email about it, tops. And if I were tired of that, I could unsubscribe. I fail to see any aggressive tactics from them trying to get you to buy the newest trax. So acting like they're sending you spam up the wazoo or holding a gun to your head in an effort to get your money is just silly. Why doesn't it bother you? It's the same reason why people get bothered by bands releasing best-of CDs with one new track on them. It takes advantage of and rips-off the fans that have supported them from the beginning. I could understand your point a little better if Rifftrax had only released like, three titles so far and then decided to do them over again. But the fact that you're so ready to give up on Rifftrax because there have been some recent releases that you have an issue with does not magically erase the 100 other titles that aren't re-dos. Because of this, your "Best of CD with one new track" example falls flat. Their riff library has more new content than old, so essentially accusing them of seeing dollar signs and releasing any old crap because they know we're stupid and we'll buy it doesn't make any sense because that's not reality. While there are hardcore collectors (and I certainly don't take issue with them), I suspect those people are in the minority. I think most of us probably pick and choose what we want to get, so those that don't want to see a rehash of these films can simply sit this cycle out and wait for the next one. There will be more new Rifftrax after this. Some you'll want to have, some you won't. Things don't have to fall apart just because you're not pleased with what they've done recently. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It really is that simple.
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Post by CHF01 on Feb 13, 2009 15:19:20 GMT -5
I gotta echo my post from earlier...having a variety of RTs, whether new or redone, and getting away from comic book hero flicks is a breath of fresh air. Seeing cheesy old movies get a more inspired and tightly written script is fine by me. Now I will have two reasons to watch Missile to the Moon (when I had no reason to ever watch it all)
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Post by quinnmartin on Feb 13, 2009 15:30:26 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me how "fans" can so blindly defend their objects of fanitude. Why would a Missle to the Moon re-do bother you? Why doesn't it bother you? It's the same reason why people get bothered by bands releasing best-of CDs with one new track on them. It takes advantage of and rips-off the fans that have supported them from the beginning. I also think that it should be obvious why this is not the same as the MST3K redos. Those KTMA eps were amaturely produced, broadcast on a Public Access channel that went out to like 1/100th of the country, and then were never rebroadcast or made available in any other way. Redoing those movies during Season 3 for a real, national channel by a full staff makes perfect sense. I'll grant you that Missle to the Moon isn't really like redoing the KTMA, because people seem to really dig it. That comment was more relevant to the previous re-do's that you seemed to have an issue with. Your annoyance didn't seem to be simply because they were re-doing one that you liked, but rather re-do's in general. Those first Mike only releases do seem like the equivalent of KTMA's. Esp. NOTLD. They're re-doing them in full RiffTrax style, the same way MST3K re-did some of the KTMA movies. And for the record, I'm not a fan of RiffTrax. I've yet to purchase a single release of their's other than a few of the shorts and the Shorts DVD. So my thoughts on the matter were not a result of my "blind" RiffTrax fandom. They were just the result of being surpised that any RiffTrax fan would complain about getting new versions of NOTLD and House on Haunted Hill with Mike, Kevin, and Trace riffing. I would think you guys would be excited about that kind of thing. I know I would be excited if the CT crew were to decide to re-do "Project Moonbase" or "The Slime People". But anyway, to each his own.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Feb 14, 2009 1:07:14 GMT -5
The "Blind Fan" (or variations thereof) argument has become the new "Godwin's Law" of late on this board.
Anyway... has anyone else watched it? What did you think?
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Post by Queen Shadowrama on Feb 14, 2009 9:00:49 GMT -5
Anyway... has anyone else watched it? What did you think? I watched it last night, and I thought it was hysterical. Though I've known for a long time that this movie was famous, horror films have never been my genre of choice so I'd never seen the film before. I sat there watching it, unable to believe how terrible this film was. I was expecting a scary movie. This was just mind-numbingly boring. But on to the Rifftrax! Mike, Kevin, and Bill tore this movie up. And I don't mean in the nasty way they sometimes go about a movie they don't like. It's just that I found the entire trax to be consistently funny the whole way through. I was literally laughing out loud during the majority of the film, and that almost never happens with me. There was just soooo much material for them to work with here, from the heroine who doesn't talk for most of the movie, to the endless boarding-up scenes, and plenty of comments on how completely easy it would be to outrun those stupid zombies. I'm smiling just thinking about right now! ;D So yes, I think this was a really solid trax. As far as all the new old releases go, this one is right up there with Reefer Madness for me, though I'll have to watch both again to determine which one comes on top!
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