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Post by Buddhist Kitten on Mar 2, 2004 18:08:59 GMT -5
2. All the people in the film seem to be white, which, even if any of the story were based on fact, would not be the case. Most indeed. Does the Bible not say that someone hair felt like wool? (I got this off of a picture in my Great Grandma's house.) How many caucasians were they in Middle east at approx. 33 A.D.? And where does it say exactly that gay marriage is unholy? Since B.C. means Before Christ, why was Jesus born 4 B.C.? Was there another Christ or something? Who wrote this stuff, anyway?? Note: None of these questions have to be answered. Let us stay on the topic of the movie.
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Post by nightfalcawk on Mar 2, 2004 18:10:54 GMT -5
These sound like questions for Miss Chloe!
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Post by Buddhist Kitten on Mar 2, 2004 18:11:36 GMT -5
These sound like questions for Miss Chloe! Miss Chloe is Buddhist, mind you.
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Post by nightfalcawk on Mar 2, 2004 18:12:48 GMT -5
Miss Chloe is Buddhist, mind you. Yes, but she is all knowing.
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Post by Buddhist Kitten on Mar 2, 2004 18:15:32 GMT -5
Yes, but she is all knowing. Since Miss Chloe is Buddhist, she believes she is all knowing, but, like you, she just smokes pot. However, sure is fun to hear her respond, right?
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Post by nightfalcawk on Mar 2, 2004 18:18:08 GMT -5
Since Miss Chloe is Buddhist, she believes she is all knowing, but, like you, she just smokes pot. However, sure is fun to hear her respond, right? Well...
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 3, 2004 0:14:19 GMT -5
After seeing this film for the second time this evening, I think I'm ready to form an opinion on it. As much as I bitched about it earlier, this was simply amazing. The historical accuracy combined with the powerful moralistic values is excellent. The most well known tale of martyrdom shown from all angles to the point of near perfection. Disregarding my religious preferences, the values shown and the evil and good of man is overwhelming at times.
Don't go for the hype, go for the enjoyment and, kids, take home a better understanding or, if you understand history well, take home the ideals.
It's well worth it. I may even see it again.
From a skeptic of Mel's, now converted,
Servo
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Post by CherokeeJack on Mar 3, 2004 2:12:47 GMT -5
Most indeed. Does the Bible not say that someone hair felt like wool? (I got this off of a picture in my Great Grandma's house.) How many caucasians were they in Middle east at approx. 33 A.D.? And where does it say exactly that gay marriage is unholy? Since B.C. means Before Christ, why was Jesus born 4 B.C.? Was there another Christ or something? Who wrote this stuff, anyway?? Note: None of these questions have to be answered. Let us stay on the topic of the movie. Ill answer them anyway... hahaha Jesus was middle eastern so he looked more like our friends there. Well thats where the best argument is, but eh. gay marriage.. something about Soddom and Gamora (sp). Some story about a guy having sex with his daughter and then the angels come and burn his house down while he's inside. Thus we have soddomy and a reason why soddomy is bad. You know, all those naughty sex acts that are not for procreation = soddomy. Its a strange connection. and some quote about guys shouldn't "Lay" down with others guys. I don't know where it is, but priests use it all the time in their debates about gay marriage. B.C. was used I believe when Rome christianized. I think. I could be completely wrong. I dont remember who wrote the bible, but I bet his hand was tired. Correct me if Im wrong in any of this.
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Post by CherokeeJack on Mar 3, 2004 2:34:16 GMT -5
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Post by doctorz on Mar 3, 2004 10:16:26 GMT -5
I haven't watched a Mel Gibson movie/project since I walked out on "Braveheart." The man does-not-care about historical accuracy. Don't get me wrong, I think its fine to inject fictional characters into a historical setting, but monkeying around with the facts really steams my beans. Therefore, I have no intention in seeing this movie. Mel Gibson = crap.
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 3, 2004 11:42:05 GMT -5
I haven't watched a Mel Gibson movie/project since I walked out on "Braveheart." The man does-not-care about historical accuracy. Don't get me wrong, I think its fine to inject fictional characters into a historical setting, but monkeying around with the facts really steams my beans. Therefore, I have no intention in seeing this movie. Mel Gibson = crap. Well, after 2 theology classes, 5 different versions of the Bible, and other assorted studies, I found most of his historical depictions in the film to be accurate. Plus, how can you really have solid "facts" from the Bible as it has been warped so many times by different cultures to suit their need for control over the masses? Actually watch before you judge, it helps in forming opinions. Servo
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Post by Mr. Atari on Mar 3, 2004 15:46:54 GMT -5
Okay, I'm going to divulge personal info here. Try not to let it negatively influence your view of me.
I don't know anything about carpentry. Or automotive repair. But I have spent 28+ years of my life devoted to the understanding and teaching of the Bible. I have a B.A. in Literary Theory, a B.A. in Biblical Studies, and a Master of Divinity with an emphasis on Literary Interpretation.
So now I'll bet you're sorry you asked.
Just the facts. There is no judgmentalism intended here. But too many people give opinions to questions like these instead of investigating the facts.
1- In Revelation 1:14, the apostle John is seeing a resurrected Jesus who he describes- "his head and hair were white like wool, like snow;" I think the wool connection is describing the whiteness as opposed to the texture.
2- Most of the residents of Judea in 33AD were Jews or Romans. As a result, they most likely had darker skin than Scandanavians like me. Certainly darker than most Jesus movies make them.
3- The Bible doesn't mention gay marriage. However, it does mention gay behavior and it mentions marriage. Whenever it mentions gay behavior, it is consistenly labeled as sin. Of course, so is greed, lust, adultery, lying, and stealing. As I see it, that just about covers everyone. For specifics, a good example of this is found in Romans chapters 1-3. It mentions homosexual behavior as one of many causes for God's judgement, then concludes in 3:23 that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
Plenty of people think the idea of sin is outdated or subjective. Okay. Again, these are just the facts of what the Bible says. (For what it's worth, the Sodom and Gammorah story is in Genesis 19. Although it's only very marginally about homosexuality. Better passages would be 1Corinthians 6:9-10 or 1 Timothy 1:9-10.)
As for marriage, it is mentioned often in the Bible. Usually, it is connected to the creation story of Adam and Eve. "It is not good for man to be alone, so God made a suitable mate for him." (Genesis 2:18).
4- B.C. means before Christ. He was born in 4 B.C. because when the calendar was made (700 A.D.), they made a mistake. It was Johnnes Kepler who noted the mistake in the early 1600s.
5- Overwhelming internal and external evidence proves that it was written by the people it says it was written by. Matthew and John were 2 of the 12 apostles. They wrote what they personally experienced. Luke traveled with St. Paul all around the Mediterranean. Most of the New Testament is comprised of letters from Paul to churches he started. Peter, one of the 12, also wrote 2 letters that are included in the Bible. Some scholars deny that it was written in the first century by eyewitnesses, but their defenses are considerably shaky. Believe what you will about the contents, but the historicity and the authenticity of the actual writing is highly reliable. But your best option is to find a copy, read it, and decide for yourself.
As for the movie, it is medically very accurate in terms of what a scourging did to a victim and what crucifixion is really like. And historically, whether or not you believe Jesus is the son of God, the fact that in Nazareth in the first century, a man named Jesus caused a stir and was crucified is not really up for debate.#nosmileys#nosmileys#nosmileys
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Post by CherokeeJack on Mar 3, 2004 16:26:13 GMT -5
interesting fact, I dont know iff anyone knows this, but it was Mel Gibson's hands (which are seen in the movie) that nailed Jesus to the cross. He insisted on doing that. I wonder why?
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Post by Mr. Atari on Mar 3, 2004 17:11:03 GMT -5
In the ABC interview with Diane Sawyer, he mentioned that it was his hand (he pointed out it was his left hand, and that in Latin it is the "sinister" hand). He implied in that interview that he did it because he sees himself as being culpable in Christ's death.
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Post by nightfalcawk on Mar 3, 2004 21:58:54 GMT -5
In the ABC interview with Diane Sawyer, he mentioned that it was his hand (he pointed out it was his left hand, and that in Latin it is the "sinister" hand). He implied in that interview that he did it because he sees himself as being culpable in Christ's death. Whoa, he's a LITTLE bit freaky if you know what I mean.
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