You know, the whole remote thing could explain how it would be feasible for them to shoot one at a time. So, if they really are writing and shooting one at a time...but then all remote... I hate Zoom calls. And it's always obvious. That KS promo they did was kind of cute and slightly better than your average zoom call, but it was still OBVIOUSLY a zoom call.
So with it being pointed out yesterday that Joel gave an interview to AV Club where he laid out his vision for Season 13 as being shot totally remotely, I don't plan on backing. That's not the progress I was hoping for when it comes to making the show, its backsliding in the wrong direction.
Yes. I'll go one step further, not only am I not backing the KS, if they really do some all remote shoot (like everyone is in portal bubbles like the KS trailer is), I probably won't even watch the eps in any form.
Post by cavedweller on Apr 18, 2021 9:43:10 GMT -5
I gave $15 and did an add-on for the season 13 boxset for $70, which was a total of $85. I would like to give more because I want to see their own app on all the streaming platforms like Amazon Firestick. I believe in one place to see all of MST3K and not various locations like Twitch and Pluto TV with all their ads. Gizmoplex needs to be the ultimate MST3K for fans to watch and meet online. I might give more if I can get the concession set.
I did the bare minimum pledge and added the blu ray.
Without more info, I don’t know what value the Gizmoplex offers to me. I keep thinking that I really don’t need a new streaming service, especially if it’s really just to see an episode of a show per month.
If there were more details, I could possibly change my mind.
Post by hike'em'up on Apr 21, 2021 20:04:32 GMT -5
i was so damaged from the first kickstarter product* that this one is a very easy NO for me but i do hope that these are more successful and produce much better episodes than 11 and 12 but fool me once
*this site did a lot of therapy work for me not so much in posting my own grievances regarding the reboot but reading everyone else's
i didnt simply dislike it.
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I'm still on the fence. I hate that this board seems like it's just a couple of broken records grumping at each other, but I really do care about the show and I really do want them to succeed and for it to be good.
My eyes are wide open to the fact that the show will never be like it was (and it will never be the way I want it to be). You can't duplicate the production values, the era it was made, the writing, the humor, the weirdness, the age I was when it helped form my sense of humor, none of that... So while I really hate that the obscure references about things from the 40s, 50s, 60s are long gone, there were a few really bright spots over the last couple of years that made me think they were on track to be a solid, humorous show.
For me, the Season 11 episodes Reptilicus, Avalanche, and Cry Wilderness are really good and quite rewatchable. I can overlook that they share a season with the atrocious Christmas That Almost Wasn't and a number of unremarkable others - after all even Girl in Gold Boots, Blood Waters of Dr. Z, and Boggy Creek II had to share a season with Hamlet and Final Justice. But I can't really say anything good about Season 12. I barely remember a thing about those episodes except: I thought that it was lame they did Mac and Me (everyone knows it's terrible), they shouldn't have touched an Asylum movie with a ten-foot pole, and the Ator movie was so dull I never even finished it. But! Some of the live shows were great! No Retreat, No Surrender was hilarious, The Brain was super, and Argoman was really funny!
On the one hand I like the Growler and M. Wavery bots and wish they'd be used more. The Doctor character that Jonah's wife played was funny and seemed like a creative new cast member that could pop up in the hexfield every now and then. But on the other hand there's Synthia and Mega-Synthia... I'm sure those ladies are truly wonderful people, but these characters just make me cringe. I won't even get into what they've done to dear ol' Gypsy... I wish Felicia and Patton played characters completely removed from the Trace/Frank characters - they are both SO great I'm sure they could have come up with a unique, creative power dynamic for them. Unfortunately, since everything is written and performed all in one great lump, it's easier to just fall back on the old tropes that made us like the show in the first place. Watch out for snakes.
For me, the show is such a roller coaster now - 25% highs and 75% dips. I think for the show to be stronger, they need to both scale it back and ramp it up. It needs to be a handful of writers/performers, living in the same city, cranking out 24 episodes per year as their full time job. That'll never happen because that's not how the world works and you can't catch lightning in a bottle like they did 30 years ago. A new episode on the Gizmoplex every other week would be the sweet spot, but say you had 10k people paying $100/year for access. That's not enough. Double it and it's still not enough. Will 12 episodes per year be enough to get people to subscribe? I could care less about watching episodes with other people, so that's not a hook for me. And I can't see them going back to the KS well every time they need to make a new season, scraping and clawing to get more than 6 episodes. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see how the show is sustainable.
So after writing all of this, I'm still on the fence about contributing. Thanks for reading.
You can't duplicate the production values, the era it was made, the writing, the humor, the weirdness, the age I was when it helped form my sense of humor, none of that...
I in no way want to put down your great post, thanks for sharing! But, I just wanted to say to this point -- I don't think it's true (well except for our ages). There is NO reason why you can't recreate what the original MST3K had. (Just look at QuipTrax or ICWXP for examples of young people coming together to make something as fun as the original). You just can't do it the way Joel is trying to.
I think I'm going to. Begrudgingly. The fact that Joel is seemingly only offering 13 episodes, and forgoing a 14th in favor of a safety net/rainy day fund is the SMALLEST, TEENSIEST bit of maturity and growth I needed from Joel to roll my eyes and give some small amount.
Looking at the reward tiers, the 85 all-digital is higher than what I want to give, but gives the most bang for my buck. And I don't want to repeat the physical reward crap from the last time.
I'll prob sign up tonight after work. God help me.
Also...I subscribe to the "you can't complain if you didn't vote" line of civics. And that certainly applies in this situation. Though hopefully I'll have less to complain about this time.
But this is absolutely, positively the LAST fundraiser I'm participating in for MST.