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Post by Megalon on Nov 25, 2023 22:59:56 GMT -5
They're so far from the $4-million goal, there's really nothing more they can do with this campaign that wouldn't invite universal condemnation. The only honest option now is to pack it in and try again later (or not). This campaign is definitely over.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 25, 2023 23:05:26 GMT -5
They're so far from the $4-million goal, there's really nothing more they can do with this campaign that wouldn't invite universal condemnation. The only honest option now is to pack it in and try again later (or not). This campaign is definitely over. Agreed. But it almost makes me wish they'd crossed the 3ish million mark to see what kind of wacky shenanigans would've happened.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 25, 2023 23:10:38 GMT -5
More blind-spots from the mod over there:
Forum poster:
Mod:
Yeah, people are mad that Mike, Kevin and Bill aren't involved. THEY'RE the most loud. Right.
Have these people been in a bubble since 2015?
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Post by floatinginspace82 on Nov 25, 2023 23:12:53 GMT -5
For what it's worth: The more extravagant Season 11 - you could see a vision for what a higher budget MST3K could be. The sight gags, the fancy opening sequence, the doors showing off the SOL's living space. It was fun. But it clearly didn't work, otherwise they'd still probably be going strong on Netflix. If in doubt: go for a sure thing. And if the sure thing is cheap? All the better. Yes, I liked Season 11, and I thought the high-budget approach was worth trying. But the number 1 complaint about Season 11 was the rapid-fire and often sterile riffing, what with the actors recording their lines separately and everything. There's probably a sweet-spot where Joel can be creatively stimulated by having special effects to play with, but the riffing is still low-budget, of the get-everyone-in-a-studio-at-the-same-time variety, which might work. But I fear that ship has sailed. This campaign was a vote of no-confidence in Joel, and I don't see any future Kickstarters succeeding as long as he's the lead creative force. what made the original so great was that they were actually there in the "theater" watching the movie, so they could line up the riffs in real time. When they do stuff separate like the did in The Return plus the added puppeteers it just seemed very convoluted and it just took me out of the experience.
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Post by dc41 on Nov 25, 2023 23:15:40 GMT -5
I guarantee that if they had raised enough (say, 3 million) they would've extended the campaign or lowered the goal to cash in. And Crowdfundr would've let them. I agree - I think they’d do something if they can hit $3 million. Would not be surprised if someone accidentally forgets to turn the campaign off overnight and it’s still accepting donations on Sunday.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 25, 2023 23:25:25 GMT -5
2.69 million, 18.2k backers
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Post by monkeypretzel on Nov 25, 2023 23:33:46 GMT -5
I have to share this post I saw on their official forum from earlier today:
"One thing I am grateful for.
Joel is at peace with the show.
Think about that. Joel, is happy with the show ending when it needs to end.
That's to say. I don't think it's over over...But if this Season 14 doesn't happen, then I'm thankful that it comes with Joel coming to terms with his involvement with comedy, and this precious show.
That means so much to me."
The perfect NuMST fan right there. Understanding that all of this was just a vehicle for Joel to finally reach a state of peace by getting his "precious" show back and completely under his control - so he could proceed to run it into the ground and just walk away, again.
And this person thinks we should all be as happy as they are about Joel taking millions of dollars and tons of fan goodwill and pissing a good portion of both away to reach his creatively sated state.
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Post by dudehitscar on Nov 25, 2023 23:51:15 GMT -5
More blind-spots from the mod over there: Forum poster: Mod: Yeah, people are mad that Mike, Kevin and Bill aren't involved. THEY'RE the most loud. Right. Have these people been in a bubble since 2015? I directly responded to that comment. "the ‘bring mike/trace/etc/’ back brigade didn’t stop the kickstarter for season 13 from being wildly successful. We didn’t need them last time. Now even I am getting smeared as ‘one of them’ for bringing up legit suggestions to improve and sustain numst3k. The fanbase needs to stop punching at villians they already beat and worry about the reality of now vs the last kickstarter." someone followed it up with "And consider that offering criticism isn’t always bad." then I replied "For real… I’m sorry… I gave tons of money to both kickstarters… I did VIP /meet and greet for the every live show until Joel’s, I was row 4 for Emily’s time bubble tour… , I ran the DC area MST3K meetup where we rented a movie theater once a month and watched an episode, I had a huge party for the premiere of The Gauntet at my house, I’ve have since seen Baron, Jonah, Hampton, Patton do solo standup stuff… Jonah wrote an original song for my wife with my fn name in it(true story)… You can see me on camera singing songs on the gizmoplex from the shoot the day after the christmas dragon premiere in PA last year. I’ve been smeared as a concern troll, OG loving hater who just wants Mike back, etc in the last month. If even I became ‘the enemy’ this campaign then we are screwed."
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 25, 2023 23:58:26 GMT -5
More blind-spots from the mod over there: Forum poster: Mod: Yeah, people are mad that Mike, Kevin and Bill aren't involved. THEY'RE the most loud. Right. Have these people been in a bubble since 2015? I directly responded to that comment. "the ‘bring mike/trace/etc/’ back brigade didn’t stop the kickstarter for season 13 from being wildly successful. We didn’t need them last time. Now even I am getting smeared as ‘one of them’ for bringing up legit suggestions to improve and sustain numst3k. The fanbase needs to stop punching at villians they already beat and worry about the reality of now vs the last kickstarter." someone followed it up with "And consider that offering criticism isn’t always bad." then I replied "For real… I’m sorry… I gave tons of money to both kickstarters… I did VIP /meet and greet for the every live show until Joel’s, I was row 4 for Emily’s time bubble tour… , I ran the DC area MST3K meetup where we rented a movie theater once a month and watched an episode, I had a huge party for the premiere of The Gauntet at my house, I’ve have since seen Baron, Jonah, Hampton, Patton do solo standup stuff… Jonah wrote an original song for my wife with my fn name in it(true story)… You can see me on camera singing songs on the gizmoplex from the shoot the day after the christmas dragon premiere in PA last year. I’ve been smeared as a concern troll, OG loving hater who just wants Mike back, etc in the last month. If even I became ‘the enemy’ this campaign then we are screwed." I saw that. I kind of admire the fact that you're still trying to work on these people, who clearly enjoy being in their little bubble and do NOT appreciate anyone not towing their line. But it really is for their own good. And it's almost shocking how many of them think that nothing needs to change and the solution is to relaunch the campaign in two or three months, and it will work out perfectly. The fan attrition for a new campaign from THIS botched campaign will not be pretty. Especially if it's still in everyone's recent memory.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 0:02:16 GMT -5
And dudehitscars bona fides should speak for themselves with those people. And it really speaks to how closed-off from reality a good chunk of the regulars/mods over there have become.
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Post by Megalon on Nov 26, 2023 0:05:29 GMT -5
I’ve been smeared as a concern troll, OG loving hater who just wants Mike back, etc in the last month. If even I became ‘the enemy’ this campaign then we are screwed." Sounds like a purity spiral ("...a form of groupthink where it becomes more beneficial to hold certain views than to not hold them, and more extreme views are rewarded while expressing doubt, nuance, or moderation is punished (a process sometimes called "moral outbidding"). This feedback loop leads to members competing to demonstrate the zealotry or purity of their views." - Wikipedia) I doubt it's really that bad over there, but if blind faith and optimism are the only moral currency, then past accomplishments aren't going to count for anything.
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Post by dudehitscar on Nov 26, 2023 0:07:08 GMT -5
I have to share this post I saw on their official forum from earlier today: "One thing I am grateful for. Joel is at peace with the show. Think about that. Joel, is happy with the show ending when it needs to end. That's to say. I don't think it's over over...But if this Season 14 doesn't happen, then I'm thankful that it comes with Joel coming to terms with his involvement with comedy, and this precious show. That means so much to me." The perfect NuMST fan right there. Understanding that all of this was just a vehicle for Joel to finally reach a state of peace by getting his "precious" show back and completely under his control - so he could proceed to run it into the ground and just walk away, again. And this person thinks we should all be as happy as they are about Joel taking millions of dollars and tons of fan goodwill and pissing a good portion of both away to reach his creatively sated state. 90% of what that person said I agree with. I knew from the beginning that numst3k was part of Joel's journey and was happy to help him get it back. You have also seen everything I have said about this campaign and calling Joel out specifically. Give them a break.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 0:18:08 GMT -5
2.7 million
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Post by missionpanic on Nov 26, 2023 0:20:06 GMT -5
That one mod seems to be seeing posts that don't exist - 90 percent of the posts about Kelsey's Crow have been "I don't like the voice" and then the 10 percent are the classic "MST3K gone WOKE?" or whatever. She referenced "diversity hires" and I have never seen anyone say that in my life (I guess she means Baron??)
Well, they got to be "right" and call everyone trolls and haters, and now in less than three hours they no longer have a show.
Edit: now she's saying that people want Yvonne (!) fired and that it's just the women? I guess she knows it's over so she can insult more freely. Wow.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 0:23:31 GMT -5
I really cannot believe how up their own butt some of these people are. I'm not even going to dissect that, I just wanted it documented.
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