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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 0:29:16 GMT -5
Now that we've crossed the 2.7 million threshold, pledges seem to have slowed to a crawl or just plain stopped.
I really think a lot of it( past the ~2.65 mark earlier) was just very... dedicated fans trying to make things look better than they are.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 0:32:36 GMT -5
For reference: $2,700,484 via 18,293
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Post by dc41 on Nov 26, 2023 0:35:09 GMT -5
I have to share this post I saw on their official forum from earlier today: "One thing I am grateful for. Joel is at peace with the show. Think about that. Joel, is happy with the show ending when it needs to end. That's to say. I don't think it's over over...But if this Season 14 doesn't happen, then I'm thankful that it comes with Joel coming to terms with his involvement with comedy, and this precious show. That means so much to me." I can appreciate the journey Joel has gone on and the love/hate relationship he had with the show and wanted to do/be known for more creatively. Gene Roddenberry had similar struggles, but his were much less driven by the creative urge that fuels Joel. I do feel with some of the more vocal backers an underlying hint of hostility toward Mike, which I don’t fully understand. I’m not sure if it’s because Mike’s approach to the riffing is a little less forgiving than the tone this newer era has established (I always felt like the original run‘s overall tone was a natural evolution- Joel’s run started out more playful with the films but he got sharper as they got deeper into the run and Mike’s era pushed the tone further, although I do think some of that was driven by the quality of the films - particularly in season six - where it went from b-movies to total shlock). The current run has been more of that playful tone - which I think is reflective of who’s making the show now - more inside ‘industry’ folks who understand just how hard it is to make a film. I wonder if it’s on some level jealousy or feeling like Rifftrax is some sort of bootleg/ripoff. But I find this idea that Joel is somehow the only one who cares to be baffling. Mike’s done nothing short of keeping the flame of the idea of the show going for over 20 years, producing a ton of material and instead of ‘moving on’ was innovative and found a way to help keep the spirit alive while proving just how enduring Joel’s core concept remains.
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Post by dudehitscar on Nov 26, 2023 1:00:52 GMT -5
I directly responded to that comment. "the ‘bring mike/trace/etc/’ back brigade didn’t stop the kickstarter for season 13 from being wildly successful. We didn’t need them last time. Now even I am getting smeared as ‘one of them’ for bringing up legit suggestions to improve and sustain numst3k. The fanbase needs to stop punching at villians they already beat and worry about the reality of now vs the last kickstarter." someone followed it up with "And consider that offering criticism isn’t always bad." then I replied "For real… I’m sorry… I gave tons of money to both kickstarters… I did VIP /meet and greet for the every live show until Joel’s, I was row 4 for Emily’s time bubble tour… , I ran the DC area MST3K meetup where we rented a movie theater once a month and watched an episode, I had a huge party for the premiere of The Gauntet at my house, I’ve have since seen Baron, Jonah, Hampton, Patton do solo standup stuff… Jonah wrote an original song for my wife with my fn name in it(true story)… You can see me on camera singing songs on the gizmoplex from the shoot the day after the christmas dragon premiere in PA last year. I’ve been smeared as a concern troll, OG loving hater who just wants Mike back, etc in the last month. If even I became ‘the enemy’ this campaign then we are screwed." I saw that. I kind of admire the fact that you're still trying to work on these people, who clearly enjoy being in their little bubble and do NOT appreciate anyone not towing their line. But it really is for their own good. Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it.
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 26, 2023 1:13:47 GMT -5
So, the Turkey Day 2023 is still offline on youtube, and so is The Mask watchalong. The other watchalongs are there. And I have to say, watching the sumaro watchalong, that beginning, it's like watching a zoom call of software engineers. So, totally, bleh. It's like, these are the calls I hang up on at work.
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 26, 2023 1:20:28 GMT -5
Well, here you go: I have made a second pledge, doubling my original amount.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 1:22:00 GMT -5
Well, here you go: I have made a second pledge, doubling my original amount. Anything raised past noon today should probably be looked at skeptically.
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 26, 2023 1:26:00 GMT -5
Okay, so I don't want to turn this thread into mock the other site, but oh my god... Such a shame too… I feel Season 13 is probably one of the best seasons the show had despite the limitations they had due to the pandemic. I know. Season 13 is AS GOOD AS IT GETS. High replay, modern references, good variety, memorable skits, and THREE HOSTS!!! The season might as well be Yellowstone or Breaking Bad and certain MSTies still wouldn’t bother giving it a chance or seeing if it grows on them. That’ll occur later, years after the show goes dormant and then some of these folks will marvel at how good it is and then weep the program is no more. Too late. The damage is done. And I’ve seen this coming because I’ve seen this before. Some faithful grow so close to whatever they cede any rational observation due to their love of what was. A destructive trait if I do say so myself. I mean, really. what? That's not real right? Like they're being pranked from within right?
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 1:28:02 GMT -5
Yes, the boring, yawn-inducing riffing in Sumaru and Batwoman, ranks right up there with Breaking Bad. Yup.
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 26, 2023 1:46:13 GMT -5
Let's talk about the movie selections. I would say yet another miscalculation by Joel. Yes, I know there are some riff fans that are all about, "you gotta riff this movie" but I was never one. Pick some movie I've never heard of and let's go.
But another point. They made a big deal this time about lining up the movies, but correct me if I'm wrong, but most of them were owned by shout and isn't Plan 9 public domain. Big chunks of the budget shouldn't have been going here.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 1:49:09 GMT -5
Let's talk about the movie selections. I would say yet another miscalculation by Joel. Yes, I know there are some riff fans that are all about, "you gotta riff this movie" but I was never one. Pick some movie I've never heard of and let's go. But another point. They made a big deal this time about lining up the movies, but correct me if I'm wrong, but most of them were owned by shout and isn't Plan 9 public domain. Big chunks of the budget shouldn't have been going here. To be fair, they never specifically said anything about movie licensing being part of the budget. The very vocal "everything is fine" fans were the ones that kept yelling about how expensive movie licensing is to justify the high budget. But yes, the fact that they're all previously owned/released by Shout or PD did undercut that. Frankly it was a mistake to think that the mere announcements alone was enough to raise 4.8 million dollars. Because that's essentially the only information of substance released over the month. But besides Plan 9, they were a bi "so what". Of course they're going to riff bad movies. Its what they do. Knowing what they are specifically isn't going to want to make me pledge.
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Post by said43 on Nov 26, 2023 1:49:52 GMT -5
Let's talk about the movie selections. I would say yet another miscalculation by Joel. Yes, I know there are some riff fans that are all about, "you gotta riff this movie" but I was never one. Pick some movie I've never heard of and let's go. But another point. They made a big deal this time about lining up the movies, but correct me if I'm wrong, but most of them were owned by shout and isn't Plan 9 public domain. Big chunks of the budget shouldn't have been going here. Per Wikipedia, which isn't the most reliable source in the world but it's late, Plan 9 is indeed in the public domain.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 1:51:34 GMT -5
Plan 9, along with Ed Wood's other films ARE public domain. However the best prints were OWNED by Wade Williams. And if you wanted to use them, you had to pay him. So he TECHNICALLY owned the rights. But he's dead, so it isn't a problem anymore.
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 26, 2023 1:54:41 GMT -5
And that's back to this whole "perfect print with widescreen" crap that Joel introduced into Nu MST3K which is more crap. No true cheesy move fan cares about print quality (although I like to have decent sound). In fact, its often part of the riffing.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 26, 2023 1:57:59 GMT -5
Once again need to thank dudehitscar for dealing with the smug people on the official forum. Especially that idiot claiming the show as its currently structured is "sustainable".
Lol, it clearly isn't. The campaign meant to sustain it failed, dude.
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