TomServo69
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 29, 2004 15:25:39 GMT -5
Well, he's gone, so at this point I feel I am triumphant in this little debate. Long live me! Who's gone? Moi? Oh no little one, you should know, I don't die that easy. Servo
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 29, 2004 15:30:30 GMT -5
Please come up with specific rebuttals to Bush's denial of the global warming problem, the Republicans' rejection of the grid modernization proposal before the blackout, the administration's testing of a scientific advisory candidate's ideological stance before hiring, and Bush's cutting of funding for the Mine Safety and Health Administration just before making the speech to the rescued miners. None of those things were "made up" by the "opposition". quote] Oh, and before I forget, you guys actually think that Bush was singlehandedly responsible for all those things? There's a thing called checks and balances and also a larger thing, known as Congress, that most governmental policies have to go through. How's about placing some blame on Congress as a whole rather than on the figurehead. Servo
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Post by Blurryeye on Mar 29, 2004 15:37:53 GMT -5
Okay, I thought you were referring to the items that were specifically in my earlier post. Slight misunderstanding there. Yeah, some of the things on the website were opinions which can be argued until the sun engulfs our planet, like whether affirmative action is actually a quota. Since you concede that some things were right on the money, I will concede that a couple things were not instances of outright lies or failures of the Bush administration, like the clean air in Texas thing. But on the other hand, one doesn't hear much about how Bush's plan was deemed a failure, and he used its "success" in his campaign. Yet I must admit that if someone had the balls to declare it a failure earlier, that never would have happened.
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 29, 2004 15:40:11 GMT -5
Agreed on all accounts. Good argument. Maybe we can do it again sometime.
Servo
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Post by Blurryeye on Mar 29, 2004 15:49:15 GMT -5
I think there's some kind of weird time lapse thing going on in the board.
No one has said that "Bush is singlehandedly responsible" for all of the things listed on the website. It includes his entire administration and in some cases, his party. Yes, Congress is separate from the President, but a President's administration has a great deal of influence, especially if the same party is the majority in Congress.
You might heed your own words whenever you blame something on Clinton's administration. Remember, Congress was mostly Republican for much of his presidency.
And again, I never stated that Bush is responsible for global warming. He denies that it exists, and claims that there is inconclusive evidence to support its existence.
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Post by Blurryeye on Mar 29, 2004 15:53:03 GMT -5
Agreed on all accounts. Good argument. Maybe we can do it again sometime. Servo Actually, I'm just as willing to end our debate here. Again, there's a weird time lapse in our posts. My point is, I'm done. Talk to you later!
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 29, 2004 15:55:12 GMT -5
Here we go again. I didn't say anything about global warming. Jeez louise, even if I did, wouldn't that more a, ummm, GLOBAL problem rather than a Bush administration problem? And, believe me, I blame Congress for most screwups, no matter who is in the majority.
Servo
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 29, 2004 15:55:39 GMT -5
Damn time lapse!
Servo
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Post by Blurryeye on Mar 29, 2004 16:01:01 GMT -5
Here we go again. I didn't say anything about global warming. Jeez louise, even if I did, wouldn't that more a, ummm, GLOBAL problem rather than a Bush administration problem? And, believe me, I blame Congress for most screwups, no matter who is in the majority. Servo Well, it was because you used my quote about the stuff I pointed out earlier, which included the subject of global warming, before talking about the "singledhandedly responsible" thing. But seriously, I'm done now!
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Post by CherokeeJack on Mar 29, 2004 16:29:08 GMT -5
Wait... TS69... If Saddam disposed of his WMDs in the 8 years Clinton was in office. Then GREAT!!!!
so why did we invade if he got rid of them?
eh...
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 29, 2004 16:32:15 GMT -5
Wait... TS69... If Saddam disposed of his WMDs in the 8 years Clinton was in office. Then GREAT!!!! so why did we invade if he got rid of them? eh... Since I don't feel like typing it again, here we go. Copy and paste. And that was getting back the things we'd loaned Iraq in the 80's when they were helping depose the Ayatollah. They were supposed to give it back. They didn't. We wanted our stuff back. They won't give it. Go to hell, we're taking our stuff. (And deposing another mass-murdering dictator in the process) I mean, hell, the UN gave him 9 months. Me and a trained monkey could dispose of weapons of mass destruction given 9 months. Bring the hate, Servo
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Post by BobJohnson on Mar 29, 2004 16:46:24 GMT -5
^The 1st Gulf War is a continuation of the 1st Gulf War Servo you're a great subtle comedian, I believed for a minute that you were serious that quote was your back-up, funny stuff man. You Bush-Fanboys and Blind Patriots are very funny! ;D
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 29, 2004 16:50:16 GMT -5
^The 1st Gulf War is a continuation of the 1st Gulf War Servo you're a great subtle comedian, I believed for a minute that you were serious that quote was your back-up, funny stuff man. You Bush-Fanboys and Blind Patriots are very funny! ;D Are you moronic? I was referencing my earlier quote about the purpose of BOTH of these wars which I just referenced, AGAIN, about two posts ago. Hows about you try reading it all, taking it in, looking at some history lessons past what you learn in high school, and getting back to me on it, OK? I hate to get pissed but it seems you've been giving me hell at every turn, Servo
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Post by TheOne19 on Mar 29, 2004 17:31:08 GMT -5
Let's just agree that anyone here that is for OR against the current administration is not "blind". We're all fairly intelligent people here (I'm assuming), so everyone probably has very good reasons to support the side that they do.
I will say this: if the Dems want to win back the presidency, they need to quit whining about Bush and focus on letting people know just how exactly they will clean up his mess if elected.
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Post by BobJohnson on Mar 29, 2004 18:03:10 GMT -5
Are you moronic? I was referencing my earlier quote about the purpose of BOTH of these wars which I just referenced, AGAIN, about two posts ago. Hows about you try reading it all, taking it in, looking at some history lessons past what you learn in high school, and getting back to me on it, OK? I hate to get pissed but it seems you've been giving me hell at every turn, Servo Now you are just getting plain mean man. I can understand Republicans just fine and your statement, My Grandpa was Republican and so is a good chunk of my family. I'm sure fighting Saddam to get weapons back is a good ANALOGY but not entirely true, Oil fields can be easily grabbed with a democratic administration is one, getting back at Saddam for Desert Storm another but I think the connection is too good with the Oil one. Bush owns oil spots all over Texas, has friends in the same business, and with that his friends are given contracts in Iraq to rebuild? If you think we are fighting this war to get WMD back that are gone, and not justifing any other reasons, then that's a pretty closed-minded way of thinking about it. I have gone through different theories for the last year and I still don't know why we are there. You saying exactly why we are there is unfortunately intellectual suicide, it's like saying we were fighting Hitler in WWII.
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