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Post by CherokeeJack on Mar 30, 2004 19:54:41 GMT -5
You are completely right in some of those points Sampo. I dont agree with any of the administrations on how they handled terrorism completely. The fact is however we seem to be jumping to this conclusion that war stops war. Im tired of this eye for an eye belief. There are other ways we can come about to a better world and it doesnt and shouldnt be through war. Bush just seems wreckless to me. He's also trying to get the draft started back up again.
Carter was the first to ever really be in that situation. It wasnt the Clinton Adminstration that didn't get Osama, it was the reluctance of the CIA and refusal to do it.
Germany and Japan did not have an active resistence to occupaton. (They have good works ethics)
Why does every adminstration seem to have this refusal as to understand the minds of why they are terrorists. Wars will only make them stronger and killing Osama will only lead to another leader. It is a belief. As long as we are viewed as an opressor, there will be terrorism.
And if you are trying to tell the world that we wont stand to terrorism, why attack a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. I've said it before. Why didn't we go after Iran? Now theres an oppressive government! Now that we have Iraq we better not mess it up.
One way might be realizing that the nature of one's country leads to radical beliefs. Perhaps we could up the standard of living in the world by giving everyone clean drinking water. It would cost much less than all the planes we make each year and plus give jobs world wide.
I vote Demo because it seems that Demos tend to have everyone in mind when they are in office. Yes they are soft on some issues, but I cant shake the stigma of Jesse Helms or Strom Thurman (sp?) and white rich folks in SUVs singing Tobey Kieff (sp).
Damn complicated world.
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Post by MonsterX on Mar 30, 2004 20:50:56 GMT -5
"He's also trying to get the draft started back up again."
I’m in the military, and this is news to me. Can I ask where you got this information from?
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Post by CherokeeJack on Mar 31, 2004 12:06:24 GMT -5
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Post by CherokeeJack on Mar 31, 2004 12:10:18 GMT -5
I should also point out that the war in Iraq is one of the many reasons I am not supporting or voting for Bush this year.
More reasons: His want to constitutionally ban gay marriage His lack of a enviromental initiative His cooperation with the moral majority his views on civil rights how he was "elected" (yeah, I'm still bitter) + link I posted earlier (begining)
However Iraq is war and war is easy to get carried away about.
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 31, 2004 17:00:20 GMT -5
"He's also trying to get the draft started back up again." I’m in the military, and this is news to me. Can I ask where you got this information from? Why would he want or need to start the draft up again? There's no military emergency. Hell, probably an average of 10 people a day sign up for the military voluntarily. Why would he need to? Now if that were the case, I'd have to rethink my support. A draft is one damn thing that is unnecessary and moronic. Servo
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Post by CherokeeJack on Mar 31, 2004 19:47:23 GMT -5
maybe its the fact he isn't sure what kind of dedication is needed to fight this war on terrorism, plus the reaction from the middle east can prove very unpredictable.
It is all very strange to say the least.
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Post by MonsterX on Apr 1, 2004 0:17:18 GMT -5
After reading the articles posted on those links, I feel safe saying that there will be no draft. There’s a reason that were not seeing this news listed on any real news source. (No offence intended CherokeeJack, but I think that the left wing agenda is coming out a little strong in each of those sites. I prefer my news a little more objective.) To the best of my knowledge, most branches of the Military are over manned as opposed to undermanned. Hell, it’s hard enough to advance in my rate as it is. (Too many people.) Yes, the solders stationed in Iraq are probably not happy. War sucks. That’s what the Army does though, they fight wars and they complete the mission. Any one who thinks that enlisting in the military means getting a free ride through collage and having pizza parties with the frigen care bears is a damn fool. The military means hard work and a willingness to die for ones country. The people who volunteered to join the armed forces understand this in a way that a civilian never could. Even if a large percentage of the army chooses not to re-enlist (which happens during peace time as well) The chances of a draft in any form are slim to none. Any other military folk around here who would like to chime in about this? (Crap, I didn’t mean go get so carried away, I just hate to see misinformation like that spread around.) Rant mode off.
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Post by CherokeeJack on Apr 2, 2004 1:01:40 GMT -5
Then why would he go about "recruiting" this way? It doesnt make much sense. Or maybe Im just a victim of the news not explaining itself.
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Post by MonsterX on Apr 2, 2004 1:11:26 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I don’t understand the question. Who is George Bush recruiting?
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Post by CherokeeJack on Apr 2, 2004 1:24:49 GMT -5
First link:
"The American defence department has begun a recruitment drive for local draft boards, raising questions about a possible revival of conscription. A notice on a department website invites United States citizens over the age of 18 to volunteer for the boards.
The board members will decide who can be exempted if a draft is needed.
The campaign comes as the US faces questions about the state of its armed forces at a time of costly operations in Iraq and Afghanistan."
Why would they recruit people for the draft boards?
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Post by MonsterX on Apr 2, 2004 1:46:01 GMT -5
"A notice on a department website invites United States citizens over the age of 18 to volunteer for the boards."
What notice on what department on what website? The article left that pretty vague. (Purposely I believe.) The Draft is always a popular topic for the media because it gets people to take notice and read their articles. I’m sure that there are plans for a draft in place even now – if World War 3 breaks out. I’m also sure that the government is constantly evaluating and re-evaluating its policies and contingency plans so that they best reflect the current state of the world. If the poopie does hit the fan, I hope that we, as a nation, are prepared to meet the threat head on. If that means we have to reinstate the draft, so be it.
At this point in time however, there is absolutely no reason for a draft. It just doesn’t make sense, especially if Bush wants to win the election. Of course, that’s what I believe, and there’s nothing wrong with believing something different.
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Post by Sensei)(Rebel on Apr 11, 2004 14:44:07 GMT -5
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