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Post by vanhagar3000 on Dec 27, 2003 23:29:45 GMT -5
I understand that Best Brains had a couple of reasons for not doing Plan 9. Here's what Sattalite News say:Well I have watched Plan 9 from Outer Space and riffed it by myself, I didn't have much trouble with Criswell's narration. Maybe I'm not remembering well enough.
It may be true that everyone has made fun Plan 9, but come on there are a couple of other easy ones they did like Godzilla vs. Megalon, Bride of the Monster and others. Both episodes classics in my opinion . Plus it would have established MST3K, the home of bad movies with "the worst movie ever made" in it. Although it is probably around number 10.
Finally they say the movie makes fun of itself. Like I mentioned earlier there are other movies that they have done that just make fun of themselves. Plus I think if they would have done this in the first season even improvised it would have been better then episodes like Mad Monster and Robot vs. Aztec Mummy. Hell if they would have improvised PLAN 9 it would have been better then most of, if not all of season one.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Dec 28, 2003 0:39:00 GMT -5
I gotta go along with the Sattalite News opinion.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Dec 28, 2003 0:44:56 GMT -5
I gotta go along with the Sattalite News opinion. Just to clarify it's Best Best's opinion.
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Post by mightyjack on Dec 28, 2003 3:00:50 GMT -5
I think they could have done Plan 9 and done just fine. As you said, they did many a film which fits that description (Woods own "Bride of the Moster" for example or the broad and unfunny comedic slant in "Hobgoblns")
For me it's apple and oranges. Critics of MST can't seperate the two. but I see one as movie, the other as a comedy show. They're two seperate entities. The movie used by the BBI is simply a vehicle for that comedy, the way the canvass is for a painter. The canvass isn't art until the paint is applied and an image emerges.
They could have done "Plan 9" and made it their own as they always have. It's just one of those silly, contradictory things they got into their heads. Kind of like limiting the Brady Bunch jokes in Bloodlust (which I address in my review) it makes no sense if you look at it closely.
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Post by TomServo69 on Dec 28, 2003 13:25:43 GMT -5
I just think the movie itself is so horrible and makes itself look stupid enough. It's just one that you would make the assumption that it would be one of the first they did, but, it didn't need it. It's one of those things that's just too easy and really wouldn't be any fun. We all know it's bad, some of the other movies they did, you'd hear the title, hey, it might not be that bad, but, you were always wrong. Plan 9 would have just been too easy.
Just my thoughts,
Servo
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Post by BobJohnson on Dec 28, 2003 14:31:43 GMT -5
I just think the movie itself is so horrible and makes itself look stupid enough. It's just one that you would make the assumption that it would be one of the first they did, but, it didn't need it. It's one of those things that's just too easy and really wouldn't be any fun. We all know it's bad, some of the other movies they did, you'd hear the title, hey, it might not be that bad, but, you were always wrong. Plan 9 would have just been too easy. Just my thoughts, Servo I agree. I think an episode is better if the movie is one we never heard of. So many forgotten movies have been recesititated thanks to MST3K, Manos is a prime choice and so is Werewolf. Plan 9, even though is bad, has a charm to it that would make it a bad canidate. MST3K showed us many unknown, horrible films, riffing Plan 9 is like riffing 2001: ASO, which is the king of Sci-Fi films IMHO.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Dec 29, 2003 14:42:31 GMT -5
For me the question of Plan 9 has never really been an off-screen thing. Instead of asking "Why haven't the Best Brains people ever done this one?" I find myself asking "Why didn't Dr. Forrester ever try it?"
I mean, if he's looking for the worst movie ever, it's a very likely candidate.
Maybe he used it before Season K when Joel had first gotten to the Satelite. And maybe that's when Joel figured out that he needed to riff on movies to survive.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Dec 29, 2003 18:00:05 GMT -5
Plan 9 is often called "the worst movie" but it's not even close. Incompitant, goofy, ood, yes,but it's enjoyable on it's own so it can't be the worst. Try watching the unMSTed Red Zone Cuba or The Creeping Terror. Now that's DEEP HURTING!
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Post by Skyroniter on Dec 29, 2003 18:43:34 GMT -5
MST3K did at least 100 movies as bad or worse than Plan Nine. Such as:Robot vs. the Aztec Mummy, Robot Holocaust, The Ring of Terror (ouch!), Viking Women and the Sea Serpent, Teenagers from Outer Space, Monster A-Go-Go (double ouch!), Wild, Wild World of Batwoman,... I need not continue. Most of these would have remained forever unknown if BB had not dug them out of the dung heap of bad movies. As bad as Plan 9 is, I am glad they went with less obvious picks.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Dec 29, 2003 19:24:47 GMT -5
Right on, brother.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Dec 30, 2003 1:42:58 GMT -5
Well, like some of the Brains themselves said, there are definitely different levels of badness.
I believe it was Mike who, while watching Deathstalker, said, "This is the most ambitiously bad movie we have ever watched." However, a person can't honestly say that Manos was better on average than Deathstalker.
I'll give you that Hobgoblins and Red Zone Cuba are certainly 100 times more painful than Plan 9 in the uncut, un-MSTed forms. Yet I still maintain that Plan 9 is worse in general. I mean, you watch Plan 9 and watch Manos. Manos had lower quality filming and a harder to follow story, yeah. But the costumes and props in Manos are much more believable than in Plan 9, you can actually make out the dialogue of all the characters in Manos (when compared to that one giant police-officer guy who died early on in the film, at any rate), Manos doesn't have cars that mysteriously change coloration and design during the same scene, Manos doesn't have nearly as many wobbly tombstones, and Manos doesn't have people who are obviously reading lines that are in the scene with them.
Just because Manos is more painful doesn't necessarily mean that it's worse. Just less enjoyable.
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Post by RMuldrake on Dec 30, 2003 17:10:07 GMT -5
I think it would have been neat if they'd done it. I always wondered why they didn't. I don't think the reasons amount to much. Criswell's voiceover is just more to mock, right? And as for the movie being so bad it riffs itself, like VanHagar said, lots of the movies they did were funny by themselves. Likewise for being too easy. Who cares if it's easy if it's funny, anyway?
It makes me curious...Maybe there's some secret reason they wouldn't do it...
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Post by Poe33 on Dec 30, 2003 17:30:28 GMT -5
Red Zone Cuba and Skydivers were BY FAR the WORST films ever shown on MST. Plan 9 is so much part of the bad movie culture (plus its inclusion in ED WOOD- one of my fav films of all time) that it seems like great cinema compared to the two above-mentioned "films".
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Dec 30, 2003 20:28:21 GMT -5
Here's a question: would Red Zone Cuba *STILL* be considered a bad movie if the director had started by saying "I want a movie that will hurt people mentally and temporarily make their soul a cold and empty place."? If he *HAD* then RZC might actually be considered an artsy film by some people.
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Post by Esoteric on Jan 1, 2004 8:49:07 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that people think Red Zone Cuba is the worst MSTed film when a monstrosity such as Monster-A-Go-Go (is this Esoteric's all-time favorite episode? Could be!) exists. Paul Chaplin thinks that's the worst one ever, according to the ACEG (although his opinion may have changed in subsequent seasons).
I'm glad they didn't do "Plan 9." To me it's sort of an elan thing: it shows class and spirit in not taking the obvious, easy route. Better to make the effort to crack on Manos or The Castle of Fu-Manchu than doing the old fishbarrel routine. It's for this reason that I don't think doing Robot Monster was a great idea, even though I'm of course glad I have a MST version of it.
Keep in mind I'm woefully unfamiliar with the post-Joel era, though - I watched almost all the Season 5 Mike episodes but lost the tapes, taped no Season 6 or 7 ones, and have seen only a few Sci-Fis. (I'm looking forward to acquiring the CC Mike eps, in particular, soon.)
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