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Post by mummifiedstalin on Aug 30, 2005 16:59:22 GMT -5
There's going to have to be some nice extra features for me to buy this. My fan copies are fine and I don't like Hobgoblins. I think The Selling Wizard is a fairly bland short. Give me a reason to buy it Rhino. You can see the Selling Wizard's leg bruise in HI DVD QUALITY!!!
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Aug 30, 2005 17:03:32 GMT -5
Hmmm like supporting Rhino and Best Brains and encouraging future releases? Future releases of what? More episodes that most of us already have good quality? At probably 2 times the price? And sometimes at even lesser quality (Merlin)?
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Post by Skyroniter on Aug 30, 2005 17:07:32 GMT -5
421 is an excellent choice. 603 is a good episode but not one that will cause MSTies to rush out to the store ASAP by itself.
Come on Rhino. Toss in something extra!!!
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Aug 30, 2005 17:11:45 GMT -5
Two episodes I love plus two episodes I've never seen before. Nice.
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Post by Ratso on Aug 30, 2005 17:12:25 GMT -5
Hmmm like supporting Rhino and Best Brains and encouraging future releases? Future releases of what? More episodes that most of us already have good quality? At probably 2 times the price? And sometimes at even lesser quality (Merlin)? To be fair... Vol.6 looked really nice. I have not seen 7 yet so I can't talk. But chances are it looks better than what I already got.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Aug 30, 2005 17:13:29 GMT -5
Hmmm like supporting Rhino and Best Brains and encouraging future releases? I feel absolutely no responsibility to buy Rhino releases out of some duty to support future sets. So far I own every Rhino release except Essentials. I am a consumer, I should want to buy it, not feel obligated. And if I pass on this one, too damn bad.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Aug 30, 2005 17:19:11 GMT -5
Future releases of what? More episodes that most of us already have good quality? At probably 2 times the price? And sometimes at even lesser quality (Merlin)? To be fair... Vol.6 looked really nice. I have not seen 7 yet so I can't talk. But chances are it looks better than what I already got. Maybe so, if you really want to spend an extra $10 just for a little extra quality that's fine. I'm just not that kind of guy, and I get all my eps from sky anyway, so it's not like I have any bad quality DVDs.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Aug 30, 2005 17:22:47 GMT -5
Hmmm like supporting Rhino and Best Brains and encouraging future releases? Future releases of what? More episodes that most of us already have good quality? At probably 2 times the price? And sometimes at even lesser quality (Merlin)? Two times the price? What are you talking about? The offerings from BBI/Rhino are the only price, the rest are bootlegs. Bootlegs. Really good bootlegs that we all have and depend on, and that BBI is generally cool about, but bootlegs nonetheless. And every Rhino release has been better quality than a fan tapes/dvds/digital captures. Merlin was dark, but it was still DVD quality. Look, I hear you on the Rhino flapjacks-ups, but you need a better reason to deny the legally deserving companies of money that you would have given them had you not already built a fan collection. Nobody has to buy a product that is inferior, but refusing to buy an official product because we've already collected the whole show through unofficial means is lame. BBI pretty much gave us indirect permission to do what we've done, but it's sort of our responsibility to own up and buy the real deal as they become available. That's at least how I look at it.
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Post by Melting Manos on Aug 30, 2005 17:32:09 GMT -5
My main reasons for buying every Rhino set:
1. To support BBI. I understand Rhino has made several errors, but the bottom line is I'm going to support BBI any chance I get even if the company releasing them has less than stellar results sometimes...
2. DVD quality. No matter how good a fan copy is, it's still nice to have a fully mastered DVD. I do hear a lot of people talking about Merlin being screwed up though. I wouldn't know because I never had a fan copy of that one so I can't really comment on that complaint.
Anyway I will buy all of the Rhino releases eventually. The only thing for me is if they ever release a set where I have all of them (Hasn't happened yet) I won't be so quick to buy it. I'll still eventually pick it up, but this one has two I've never seen so I'm getting it the day it's released.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Aug 30, 2005 17:39:39 GMT -5
I know this is the wrong place, but is Satellite News down?
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Aug 30, 2005 17:40:14 GMT -5
Future releases of what? More episodes that most of us already have good quality? At probably 2 times the price? And sometimes at even lesser quality (Merlin)? Two times the price? What are you talking about? The offerings from BBI/Rhino are the only price, the rest are bootlegs. Bootlegs. BOOTLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't buy bootlegs. If you noticed I warned against a poster in MST General Chat not to so with SCCTM, but the fact is for me, all a Rhino DVD release does is raise to price on a episode I want. If I wanted to get Monster a-Go Go from Sky, I could have paid $7, now I have to pay (this is dividing a $60 box set into 4) $15. That sucks, it raises the price. Or maybe I have The Dead Talk Back from someone else, why would I buy a DVD from Rhino? Really good bootlegs that we all have and depend on, and that BBI is generally cool about, but bootlegs nonetheless. And every Rhino release has been better quality than a fan tapes/dvds/digital captures. Merlin was dark, but it was still DVD quality. No, not every release has been. Merlin was not. Absolutely not. I taped part of Merlin on VHS, and it was better. Yes, on VHS. There was another on Volume Five, but I haven't seen that edition for a while. Look, I hear you on the Rhino flapjacks-ups, but you need a better reason to deny the legally deserving companies of money that you would have given them had you not already built a fan collection. Who the hell says so? Does that mean every single human being on the face of the planet has to buy a DVD since they are the legally deserving company? Here's a reason- Maybe, I have no reason to buy the damn DVDs. Phantom said it best, we're the consumer, make us buy the DVDs. Nobody has to buy a product that is inferior, but refusing to buy an official product because we've already collected the whole show through unofficial means is lame. No it's lame to pay an extra $50 for things we already have. BBI pretty much gave us indirect permission to do what we've done, but it's sort of our responsibility to own up and buy the real deal as they become available. It's not our responsablity. We collect DVDs of a show that mocks B-Movies and was cancelled over two years ago. Our responsibility level is pretty low. That's at least how I look at it. Well, you and I look at it in two very different ways friend.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Aug 30, 2005 17:40:44 GMT -5
I know this is the wrong place, but is Satellite News down? MST3K.com is. MST3KINFO.com is not.
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Post by siamesesin on Aug 30, 2005 17:55:47 GMT -5
YAY!!!!!!!!
Good mix, two of each host. I like it!
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Aug 30, 2005 17:59:14 GMT -5
YAY!!!!!!!! Good mix, two of each host. I like it! 3 of them were from Mike. Only, Monster a-Go Go was a Joel episode.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Aug 30, 2005 18:07:22 GMT -5
Yes, you do. And your following paragraph explains exactly why. Hey, I've tape traded/downloaded the whole damn series, so I'm not trying to play innocent here. My problem is with your logic that you could buy DVDs from sky (no offense to you of course, sky, your service is excellent) for less than you could buy an official release. ...What? That's like saying you could buy a DVD from a guy on the street cheaper than you could in a theater, so why would you want to get ripped off? The difference is that our fan traders are well organized, of geat quality, and generally aren't looking to get a profit, but when you take away all the sugarcoating it's still bootlegging, and still illegal. You're using the fact that illegal copies are cheap and convenient in comparison to the real thing as a reason not to buy the real thing. I don't get that at all. It'd make more sense to me if someone flat-out said that they're breaking the law and don't care than trying to defend it with reasons like that. Clearly we're both stubborn enough to be able to to talk about this forever. The Rhino release of Merlin is better than a tape. It just is, and the technical facts are the proof. The only way it wouldn't be true is if they for some reason encoded it at a horrendous bitrate or the source tape was bad. Neither was the case, the transfer was just dark. The quality is still there. Yes, in my tape I can see Mike and the bots much better. That doesn't somehow up the tape's resolution. I assume the other Vol.5 episode you're thinking of is Time Chasers, because I think I remember you talking about it. I never did a side-by-side comparison to compare the brightness, but the DVD quality was better. No. But I am going to argue your stance if the best thing you can come up with to validate it is that you can get fan copies. I agree! But, what if you never had the tapes. What if you never got a fan tape, DVD, or download ever. You wouldn't have anything to compare the real ones to. Now, I'm not trying to excuse Rhino's lack of extras or quality control here, but your reasons are shaky. Maybe it's just me, but I'd be much more inclined to get the Rhino releases if I didn't have copies all these years. They're cheap, easy to get, and frankly I've probably spent a good deal of money on them altogether. But no one made me do that. It's one thing to say the Rhino releases aren't up to par and so you don't want them, but if your excuse is that you've already got your illegal copies... That we already have unofficially. The fifty bucks is only "extra" because you're viewing it in addition to the money you spent on the bootlegs. Lame. You can say how the show was obscure and canceled and all that stuff, but the end result is still the same.
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