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Post by BoB3K on Dec 18, 2008 9:29:28 GMT -5
I got this idea while reading The WORST MST3K movie is...If we're judging "worst" by "most loathsome", then TISCWSLABMUZ should win in a landslide. There's no way I could hate that movie as much as it hates me. So, my question for Mr. Atari and everyone else, do you still watch those episodes? In the last ten years (i.e. post original run), I've watched TISCWSLABMUZ, Creeping Terror, Manos, Dr Z, Starfighters, and so on no more than once. Eps like Manos that I had seen premeried (and loathed) took me a long time to watch again. If I think the movie is repulsive or sooo inept that it's not even stumbling through a story, I don't have any fun watching it with Joel/Mike & the bots. On the other hand, as time goes by those eps become the ones that have "fresher" material on them, almost new material on them. So eventually I break down and watch them. So, I guess my answer to the question is "Yes, but hardly ever" and I would never use one of those to show to a newbie (not that I ever find anyone to show MST3K to.) |
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Post by Crowfan on Dec 18, 2008 11:12:25 GMT -5
The most painful episode for me was "Time Of The Apes" I have tried to watch it straight through many, many times and I just can't do it. If I break it up into sections, I can get through it.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Dec 18, 2008 11:36:24 GMT -5
After complaining about TISC... for years around here, I finally broke down and gave it another chance recently. It wasn't as nauseating to me as on previous viewings, but probably because I was ready for it. I didn't like it any more than before.
I suppose if I'm in the right masochistic mood, I'll throw in an episode I don't like just to see if my opinion will change. I've seen every episode at least twice, but in cases like "The Hellcats" or "The Blood Waters of Doctor Z" or "Squirm", I'm sure it hasn't been more than twice.
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Post by davidbeegah on Dec 18, 2008 11:46:36 GMT -5
Recently I have re-watched both The Castle of Fu Manchu & Hamlet. I hated both movies for quite awhile but I found them not as bad as I remembered. I will probably watch them again and any episode in the MST3K library.
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Post by quinnmartin on Dec 18, 2008 11:47:07 GMT -5
If I loathe the movie, I generally won't watch the ep more than once. I've never actually watched TISCWSLABMUZ the whole way through. There's so many other episodes that I could be watching that it's not worth my time to sit through that. Same with Squirm. And I've only seen Atomic Brain and Dr. Z and The Brain That Wouldn't Die once each, and have no real desire to watch them again.
But just because the movie is terrible, or in the running for the worst movie they ever did, doesn't mean it's a painful watch. Creeping Terror is beyond awful, but it's not painful. Same with Starfighters and Mighty Jack and Monster A-Go-Go.
Manos is hard to watch, but the riffing is so good that I've watched it many times. Have to be in the right mood for it though. It's certainly not one I'd throw on to cheer me up after a hard day at work.
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Post by BoB3K on Dec 18, 2008 12:56:00 GMT -5
It wasn't as nauseating to me as on previous viewings, but probably because I was ready for it. That's how I felt when I rewatched Manos. And it does help to let you focus on the riffs more. There's so many other episodes that I could be watching that it's not worth my time to sit through that. Agreed. But sometimes I just get that feeling of, "Oh, that's hilarious but I've already seen it," and that's when I start considering giving another chance to episode X. Of course now with RiffTrax and CT, it's hard to justify not just watching a brand new ep of one of those instead of rewatching an MST3K you don' t like. But then you get into the debate of whether a mediocre ep of MST3K is "better" than a RiffTrax of CT. Ooiy, why is life so complicated!! ...  |
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Post by braindeadzombie on Dec 18, 2008 13:04:27 GMT -5
Eps like Manos that I had seen premeried (and loathed) took me a long time to watch again. If I think the movie is repulsive or sooo inept that it's not even stumbling through a story, I don't have any fun watching it with Joel/Mike & the bots. On the other hand, as time goes by those eps become the ones that have "fresher" material on them, almost new material on them. So eventually I break down and watch them. So, I guess my answer to the question is "Yes, but hardly ever" and I would never use one of those to show to a newbie (not that I ever find anyone to show MST3K to.) Didn't we have this talk over at the CT thread? Something about the "Doomsday Machine" episode and "cheese" versus "dreck". I like cheese but I love dreck. For many of us, the worse movies make for the best episodes. I hate the "Hamlet" episode. I like bad movies and I love the worst of them and the same goes for the MST version. The problem with the "Hamlet" movie, voted the worst MST3k episode time and again, is that it's a boringly staged, dubbed, German 90 minute movie of a three/four hour play. It's not bad, it's just dull. What do you make fun of: the bare stage, the dub, the play itself? But that's all it is: a filmed play and no worse or better than others of its kind. The problem with the Monster a-Go-Go movie is that nothing happens in 70 minutes but it's interesting that the movie was made that way. The actors knew that they didn't have much of a script in either movie, the sound editor wasn't paying attention to the movie that much, the DoP must have had severe eye trouble and the director had no interest in bringing the whole mess together cohesively. There is no shortage of material for riffing here. The problem with the Manos movie is that things happen but they happen in a badly shot, written, acted and framed way. And some of those things that happen are excessively repetitive. They repeat a lot of lines. Those are also excessively repetitive... There is plenty of material here for riffing. Maybe too much. |
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Post by docsteve on Dec 18, 2008 14:40:35 GMT -5
I began taping in 1990 or 1991, so I have seen every episode at least five times, for certain. I used to spend a lot of time on the computer with one of the Rhino DVDs playing in the background. Since there were only so many Rhino DVDs out for a long time, this means I have "heard" a few of them literally dozens of times. Some of my favorites I have seen at least twenty times.
That said, here are a few I don't plan on watching again any time soon:
Stranded in Space
Castle of Fu Manchu
Rocket Attack U.S.A.
The Robot vs. the Aztec Mummy
Invasion of the Neptune Men
The Screaming Skull
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Post by BoB3K on Dec 18, 2008 14:59:15 GMT -5
Didn't we have this talk over at the CT thread? Something about the "Doomsday Machine" episode and "cheese" versus "dreck". I like cheese but I love dreck. For many of us, the worse movies make for the best episodes. This thread is about eps that you hate, which as you say varies from person to person. I'm sure some people hate my favorite eps because the movie is so watchable. |
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Post by theprofessor on Dec 18, 2008 16:24:37 GMT -5
The first time I saw the creeping terror, i hated it (the movie and the riffs) and vowed i would never watch it again. Needless to say, i did and found it to be far better than i remembered. In fact, this holds true for alot of episodes i didn't enjoy the first time around (like The Atomic Brain and Batwoman). I still haven't gathered the courage to watch Hamlet again, though.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Dec 18, 2008 17:08:32 GMT -5
The website forced me to watch the baddies more than I desired (everytime I wanted to expand and add something to the pages, like quotes, I'd go right through the catalog agian) I guess that makes me a bit different in that I'd force myself to watch even my least favorites more than I would have san the site. So I never got the pleasure of flat out ignoring an ep for long. Sometimes an ep would get stronger (Manos) some never have (Batwoman) Now that it is pretty well settled and I don't have to do that, there are those I avoid. Hamlet of course, but one that is a fan fav for many that I just don't find funny in the least in "Herc and the Moon Men". The riffing I find so simplistic that I get frustrated with it, I remember once turning it off mid way and thinking, "damn it guys, this is season 4, your better than this!" (Aztec Mummy, yeah. I expect this from the early days, but not on a later ep) I know I am now dead to those who love the experiment  but man this ep bugs me, it really bugs me. Anyway, short answer, I've become too familair with these shows for a baddie to suddenly surprise me. Maybe in a few years I'll try Moon Men again and see what happens. |
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Post by crowschmo on Dec 19, 2008 18:32:29 GMT -5
If the movie is watchable (somewhat) on its own, even if the riffs are so-so, or if the movie is horrible but the riffing is great, I'll watch it. But get the two together that are bad, the movie and the riffing, forget it. Can't sit through it. I'll try it for a while, hoping the riffs will get better, but I may shut it off in frustration. Why waste two hours of my life? (Like my life is a thrill-a-minute, anyway).
When I bought the 20th Anniversary set, I couldn't sit through Future War, though I tried like hell. I can't stand Boggy Creek II, The Wild World of Batwoman (though I did sit through the whole thing in preparation for that week's discussion - shudder), Hamlet, Overdrawn at the Memory Bank, or The Giant Spider Invasion. The riffings just aren't strong enough to justify the agony.
BTW - Even though the movie is crap, I LOVE Manos. ;D It's one of the eps I've watched the most, just because of the way the riffers handle it.
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Post by Blackmarket Jazz on Dec 19, 2008 19:27:12 GMT -5
Hamlet!!!! It taunts me, it tasks me, it laughs at me, it sneers and snickers at me. It is the ONLY episode I have yet to see completely. I just can't make it through. Granted, I haven't taken a run at it in over 2 years. Maybe I'll dare myself.
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Post by strangefate on Dec 20, 2008 0:09:40 GMT -5
It depends. I've yet to rewatch Starfighters, Mighty Jack (which I never finished), Ring of Terror, Racket Girls, Radar Secret Service, Space Travelers, or Monster A-Go-Go. The movies are awful and the riffs mostly forgettable IMO. The only exception to this has been Manos, which is lavished with so much praise, I keep retrying it only to hate it all over again.
All the Sci-Fi ones get placed on rotation though, even the couple I don't like that well, like Neptune Men and Hamlet. I'm just a bigger fan of that era, plus my copies of those episodes are jammed together on VHS tapes, so I have to get through one to get to the next, unless I want to play with the fast forward button.
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Post by glowgirl004 on Dec 20, 2008 2:00:25 GMT -5
I've only made it through Sidehackers once, and believe me, it took me a few tries to even finish it. The last time I watched it was about a year and a half ago. Will I watch it again? Maybe, but it's never #1 on my list of episodes I love watching.
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If we're judging "worst" by "most loathsome", then TISCWSLABMUZ should win in a landslide. There's no way I could hate that movie as much as it hates me.
but man this ep bugs me, it really bugs me. Anyway, short answer, I've become too familair with these shows for a baddie to suddenly surprise me. Maybe in a few years I'll try Moon Men again and see what happens.
