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Post by jaybird3rd on Nov 28, 2015 23:35:43 GMT -5
If he can get the KTMA's rights and decent copies, why not just sell them for $20 each? A lot of the people who have already pledged would eagerly pay another $60 to get a hold of episodes 1,2 and 3. He could even have an option where you only pay when they are actually available. So you don't have to spend the extra money for another month or so. Do the Disney thing, they'll only be available during this pledge drive. We might make them available again but it won't be for at least 2 more years. The average misty spent over $100. I'd bet a lot of them would spend another $60 to get KTMA 1,2,3. You'd also get some to buy just one and you'd pull in some old school misties who aren't interested in the new project but who want to see the episodes. With over 27,000 people pledging, if half of them bought all three that would be 27,000/2 = 13,500. 13,500 X 60 = $810,000. Or a new digital only box set at mst3k.com. $75 for KTMA 1,2,3 and the first episode (or the choice of a regular episode or two, or a making of special or something else.) Speaking only for myself, I'm willing to throw in a whole lot more than $60 if it means we can finally see those episodes. I'm just waiting patiently for Joel to decide how he wants to handle it, and to make sure all the necessary i's are dotted and t's are crossed. I think you're right about it bringing in skeptical MSTies: I've noticed a certain apathy (or at least a surprising lack of enthusiasm) toward the new show in certain prominent MST circles, but ALL of them have been waiting for years to see those shows. For any MSTie worth their salt, getting those "lost" episodes transcends ANY skepticism about the new show. (Although, as long as we're dreaming ... I would actually love to see K12 bundled with K01-K03, so we can have both halves of the KTMA Fugitive Alien saga in one set. The problem is that I don't think their excerpt of "YMCA" during the robot dance competition in that episode would qualify as fair use.)
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Post by mylungswereaching on Nov 28, 2015 23:46:18 GMT -5
Pie in the sky, but if you could get 30,000 people, (a lot of the current donors plus 5,000 or 10,000 fence sitters) to buy a $75 box set, that would raise $2.25 million dollars. That would push us close to the $5.5 million goal. If Joel can get KTMA 1,2,3 that could be key.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Nov 28, 2015 23:49:57 GMT -5
If he can get the KTMA's rights and decent copies, why not just sell them for $20 each? A lot of the people who have already pledged would eagerly pay another $60 to get a hold of episodes 1,2 and 3. He could even have an option where you only pay when they are actually available. So you don't have to spend the extra money for another month or so. Do the Disney thing, they'll only be available during this pledge drive. We might make them available again but it won't be for at least 2 more years. The average misty spent over $100. I'd bet a lot of them would spend another $60 to get KTMA 1,2,3. You'd also get some to buy just one and you'd pull in some old school misties who aren't interested in the new project but who want to see the episodes. With over 27,000 people pledging, if half of them bought all three that would be 27,000/2 = 13,500. 13,500 X 60 = $810,000. Or a new digital only box set at mst3k.com. $75 for KTMA 1,2,3 and the first episode (or the choice of a regular episode or two, or a making of special or something else.) Speaking only for myself, I'm willing to throw in a whole lot more than $60 if it means we can finally see those episodes. I'm just waiting patiently for Joel to decide how he wants to handle it, and to make sure all the necessary i's are dotted and t's are crossed. I think you're right about it bringing in skeptical MSTies: I've noticed a certain apathy (or at least a surprising lack of enthusiasm) toward the new show in certain prominent MST circles, but ALL of them have been waiting for years to see those shows. For any MSTie worth their salt, getting those "lost" episodes transcends ANY skepticism about the new show. (Although, as long as we're dreaming ... I would actually love to see K12 bundled with K01-K03, so we can have both halves of the KTMA Fugitive Alien saga in one set. The problem is that I don't think their excerpt of "YMCA" during the robot dance competition in that episode would qualify as fair use.) You could get around it. Take it out of the original and have Joel come in on a commercial break and tell people to go get their old cassette tapes and play the song YMCA during the next scene because we couldn't get the rights to the song.
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Post by jaybird3rd on Nov 29, 2015 0:00:48 GMT -5
I understand why Joel has been reluctant to release those old shows (rights issues aside), and if it weren't for the need to raise funds for the new MST3K, I don't think he'd be considering it now. But it would be an interesting twist of fate if those early shows, so formative to the evolution of the original MST3K, should now play a prominent role in raising the money to bring about the new one.
It's also very useful from a fundraising point of view for Joel to have those old shows in his back pocket, because it allows him to tap into a motivation that is almost the exact opposite of the one that has been driving the campaign so far. The more hidebound, nostalgic faction of MSTies might not give a damn about a new MST3K that isn't really geared to their generational sensibilities anyway, but many of them are hardcore collectors with a strong completionist impulse. If they're anything like the collectors I've met in other circles, I think the chance to have a complete set of KTMA shows on their shelves for the first time will be an irresistible temptation. That's why I've half-jokingly referred to K01-K03 as Joel's "nuclear option" for this campaign; they are SO highly sought after that he can pretty much name his price for them.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Nov 29, 2015 0:33:41 GMT -5
I understand why Joel has been reluctant to release those old shows (rights issues aside), and if it weren't for the need to raise funds for the new MST3K, I don't think he'd be considering it now. But it would be an interesting twist of fate if those early shows, so formative to the evolution of the original MST3K, should now play a prominent role in raising the money to bring about the new one. It's also very useful from a fundraising point of view for Joel to have those old shows in his back pocket, because it allows him to tap into a motivation that is almost the exact opposite of the one that has been driving the campaign so far. The more hidebound, nostalgic faction of MSTies might not give a damn about a new MST3K that isn't really geared to their generational sensibilities anyway, but many of them are hardcore collectors with a strong completionist impulse. If they're anything like the collectors I've met in other circles, I think the chance to have a complete set of KTMA shows on their shelves for the first time will be an irresistible temptation. That's why I've half-jokingly referred to K01-K03 as Joel's "nuclear option" for this campaign; they are SO highly sought after that he can pretty much name his price for them. It reminds me of my college economics class. You have a product that is in high demand for a limited group of buyers. The higher you set the price the less people will buy it. The lower you set the price, the more you will sell. There is some price point on the curve that will maximize profits. A price drop of X dollars will result in Y increase in sales. A raise in price of X will result in a drop in sales of Y. Another thought, it might be easier to negotiate for rights if your only going to sell it for a month or so.
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Post by nondescript spice on Nov 29, 2015 0:48:28 GMT -5
okay, i just kicked in. how could i not? i'll always be pro-mst3k. but i don't know; i don't think i could ever get used to a new cast. even if the original cast got back together, it could never be the same. we have 10 seasons of a show we all love. i really liked cinematic titanic and if joel started a new riffing project, i'd be cool with that. but i'm a big believer in you can't go home again.
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Post by BoB3K on Nov 29, 2015 1:04:09 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know how many people would actually pay money for the 'lost' KTMA episodes. I think sometimes hard-core fans don't realize how not near the median they really are. Like it wouldn't surprise me if the number of people willing to pay good money for the lost eps is like 1000 at the high end, and a couple of hundred at the low end. I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of people interested in them, maybe as an extra or something, but I'm also equally sure there are a lot of people that have no interest in them at all. I mean, some people don't even watch the early published seasons.
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Post by jaybird3rd on Nov 29, 2015 1:04:16 GMT -5
okay, i just kicked in. how could i not? i'll always be pro- mst3k. but i don't know; i don't think i could ever get used to a new cast. even if the original cast got back together, it could never be the same. we have 10 seasons of a show we all love. i really liked cinematic titanic and if joel started a new riffing project, i'd be cool with that. but i'm a big believer in you can't go home again. Thank you so much! I understand your trepidation--and, to be honest, I share it to an extent--but I think Joel deserves the benefit of the doubt, and the new cast deserves a chance. Seeing the down-to-earth way that Joel has described his plans for the new MST3K, it's obvious that he has put years of thought into what made the original MST3K work so well, and how to recapture that in a way that makes sense in today's media climate. I don't think we'll see a repetition of George Lucas tainting the memory of something we loved; if it's done right, the new MST3K can actually add to our enjoyment of the originals. If anybody can pull that off, Joel can.
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Post by jaybird3rd on Nov 29, 2015 1:15:40 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know how many people would actually pay money for the 'lost' KTMA episodes. That's why I think Joel should offer them as a reward for a future challenge. That will tell us what kind of interest there really is. In my opinion, the nice thing about offering them as a challenge reward, as opposed to selling them for a flat fee, is that it can bring out MSTies at every point on the fandom scale: the real hardcore MSTies will start backing up the money truck regardless, but those who are only casually interested in them will also be prompted to throw a few (more?) bucks at the campaign just out of curiosity, if they think it will help meet the goal. In either case, I have a feeling it will add up quickly.
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Post by Torgo on Nov 29, 2015 1:17:42 GMT -5
(Although, as long as we're dreaming ... I would actually love to see K12 bundled with K01-K03, so we can have both halves of the KTMA Fugitive Alien saga in one set. The problem is that I don't think their excerpt of "YMCA" during the robot dance competition in that episode would qualify as fair use.) After the wonders Shout Factory did with WKRP in Cincinnati, I think it's fairly possible Shout would make a worthy attempt to license one of the few outside songs MST ever used.
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Post by jaybird3rd on Nov 29, 2015 1:47:12 GMT -5
After the wonders Shout Factory did with WKRP in Cincinnati, I think it's fairly possible Shout would make a worthy attempt to license one of the few outside songs MST ever used. If anybody can do it, I'm sure Shout could, but I just didn't want to ask for too much. I want K01-K03 too badly! (By the way, I wasn't sure if you wanted replies in your review thread, but I like your new review of K05! Over on Satellite News, I went into way too much detail about all the things I enjoyed about K05, back when it was their "episode of the week.")
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Post by Torgo on Nov 29, 2015 1:56:33 GMT -5
I'm happy to hear that somebody read it. I was surprised at how anti-painful the episode was the first time I watched it after all the hellfire that hit it over the years. Sure it's sparse, but I'm kind of thankful it was sparse on this particular movie instead of something far worse. Since I feel the relationship between the show and the movie is symbiotic, I found myself enjoying the episode more than I thought I would.
Edit: BTW, everyone's invited to respond to my thread. I have that link setup on the first post to keep it organized.
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Post by Torgo on Nov 29, 2015 2:23:36 GMT -5
Day 19: Let's just say we had a tough day. Even after Joel's announcement that the goal was stretched into Monday, glancing at that counter off and on all day was fairly painful. After the last update it jumped a few grand, but overall it was slow going. Today we earned less than $40,000, an 11% decrease from yesterday but a 33% increase from last Saturday. I'm starting to think weekends just suck in general for us. Right now we're almost at $3.134 million. Now enough doom and gloom, let's point out something AWESOME. Joel released the first number in sales from mst3k.com today, and they were fairly juicy. The take as of now is $85,000. Add that to the $55,000 under the counter take and we have $140,000 that's not on being included in that number. That means what we're really looking at is a total of $3.274 million! This means we're a measly $26,000 from locking in those next three episodes, and we should achieve it tomorrow unless we have our worst day yet. Hell, mst3k.com might have made that today alone. The down side is that while all of this counts for our big goal, Joel clarified something I suspected a while back in stating only the money on the meter counts toward the challenge goal. So if we're looking to achieve that, we need to make $166,000 in the next two days. We didn't have much enthusiasm for it today. Maybe tomorrow will be better? It's just $84,000 per day. Could we swing that? Scoreboard time... Three Episodes: $2,000 Six Episodes: $94,000 Twelve Episodes: $186,000 Per Backer: $116 (number only includes the money on the meter and extra money from the over the limit prizes. Adding mst3k.com's numbers wouldn't give us an accurate number) NEW!!! Average Per Day: $172,000 (DOES include mst3k.com's income) I decided to bring in a per day average to give everyone and idea as to how we're doing in relation to each goal. So far we're pretty solid and nine episodes seems like a safe lock. We're a bit under what we need to get to twelve episodes, but I'm not entirely concerned given the final days boost we're patiently awaiting and the extra income from mst3k.com. Days like this are rocky, but we can't have a good day every day. And before I forget...
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Post by jaybird3rd on Nov 29, 2015 2:29:22 GMT -5
The Kickstarter numbers are lower than I would have liked, but given that we started the day with a *negative* Kicktraq total (thanks to Friday evening's $5K party pooper), and at least one $2K dropout during the day, I can't complain. Sunday will likely be a slow day, too, but we've got Cyber Monday and the reveal of the new Mad Henchman to look forward to.
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Post by GodzFire on Nov 29, 2015 4:47:43 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is there's essentially no big backer reward levels left. They've all been bought up. For someone to pitch in 5k, 10k, 15k dollars (sadly Kickstarter doesn't allow more than that), while the act itself is great, everyone enjoys getting some nice unique and special rewards in return. At this point, I know if I was willing to put in 10k, but there wasn't any available top tier rewards left, I probably wouldn't do it. It's no one's fault really, just that they weren't there soon enough to back and get one of the limited rewards spot.
If they could add more high level reward options, stuff that might not cost Joel & his Kickstarter group much money to do, but could charge a pretty good amount for, it would both attract more high spenders to contribute and might even push current people to upgrade their amount.
I swear, if they offered additional tiers to purchase just normal copies of the bots, they could rack up an insane amount cash.
Or better yet, offer 20 built bots of each character, signed by everyone (even if possible including original series crew/cast members), and the top 20 highest bids for each character would get one. Have the bidding open for a week. Just watch how the 'bidding war' mentality would drive up the final prices.
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