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Post by BoB3K on Sept 16, 2023 13:21:49 GMT -5
There's a huge distinct difference between coding and art. Says the guy who has probably never coded anything. Go tell the guys who made pacman or the lunar lander programs or the router drivers that can move bits of data around so fast that you can binge watch a crappy show that code isn't art. And no, all code isn't art. But neither is all acting. The guy smiling like an idiot as he's handed his Big Mac is in an acting gig the same way as the guy who is coding an input form for an insurance webpage is in a coding gig. |
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Post by mylungswereaching on Sept 16, 2023 13:54:48 GMT -5
The originals still exist. And special editions, bastardizations don't erase the value of the original. Find me a legal copy of the original Star Wars or Close Encounters of the First Kind. CEotFK special edition was not the version originally shown in theaters. Movies are changed all the time and the original is not always legally available. |
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Post by kracker on Sept 16, 2023 14:20:47 GMT -5
There's a huge distinct difference between coding and art. Says the guy who has probably never coded anything. Go tell the guys who made pacman or the lunar lander programs or the router drivers that can move bits of data around so fast that you can binge watch a crappy show that code isn't art. And no, all code isn't art. But neither is all acting. The guy smiling like an idiot as he's handed his Big Mac is in an acting gig the same way as the guy who is coding an input form for an insurance webpage is in a coding gig. Says the guy who STILL cant tell the difference after having it explained to him. Pacman is a registered trademark, the guys who made Pacman own the character and design, that is the art that can not be replaced, that is what they get paid royalties for. The code however gets changed and replaced as it moves from platform to platform over the decades. None of code used on say Pac-Man 99 came from the original arcade. Today they make no money off the code because other people code PacMan now. They make money by licensing the trademark, artwork, and design of Pac Man, not the code itself, which will only work on an arcade machine. And things like lunar lander programs and router drivers get PATENTED. Would be embarrassing if "the guy who has probably never coded anything" understands this better than someone who has been doing it for what did you say, over 20 years? XD |
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Post by kracker on Sept 16, 2023 14:22:43 GMT -5
The originals still exist. And special editions, bastardizations don't erase the value of the original. Find me a legal copy of the original Star Wars or Close Encounters of the First Kind. CEotFK special edition was not the version originally shown in theaters. Movies are changed all the time and the original is not always legally available. Legality or availability has nothing to do with this. Banksy's art is illegal, the product of an act of crime. So it has no value and doesnt exist? I can alter a copy of a Banksy and it doesn't replace the original. Did the Special Edition really replace the original Star Wars for you? Han never shot first right? |
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Post by mylungswereaching on Sept 16, 2023 14:43:16 GMT -5
Find me a legal copy of the original Star Wars or Close Encounters of the First Kind. CEotFK special edition was not the version originally shown in theaters. Movies are changed all the time and the original is not always legally available. Legality has nothing to do with this. Banksy's art is illegal, the product of an art of crime. So it has no value? I can alter a copy of a Banksy and it doesn't replace the original. So you're perfectly fine if the owner of a movie, tv series, book, etc. changes things so much it changes the meaning of the story but only allows people to see the new edited version as long as there are illegal pirated versions available? When people bought physical media, owners couldn't change things on the fly. All on-line digital media can easily be changed whenever the owner wants. In the original Star Wars that was shown in theaters Han Solo shot first according to millions of viewers. The original version of Star Wars as shown in theaters was never released. The released version shows something different. 40 years ago, re-edits like that were rarely done because they were so expensive. With AI, they're trivial. That concerns me. "I can alter a copy of a Banksy and it doesn't replace the original." Replacing an online digital movie does replace the original. You have to have made an illegal copy to see the original version. |
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Post by kracker on Sept 16, 2023 15:17:06 GMT -5
Once again, legality has nothing to do with this. You're going off on a completely different argument about whether I'm fine with the Star Wars Special Edition, while going on a weird tangent about AI paranoia. Take it to the Star Wars forum where they argue about that stuff. So when books get banned or censored, do they cease to be just because you can't buy them legally at the time? A work of art isn't erased or forever changed permanently just because you can't buy it legally at the time. Any day they could say they are going to release the original Star Wars again and that retroactively wipes out your argument. In the original Star Wars that was shown in theaters Han Solo shot first according to millions of viewers. The original version of Star Wars as shown in theaters was never released. The released version shows something different. BTW that is false. It was released. I had Star Wars on VHS as a kid. And Han shot first. From 1977 to 1997, the original version of Star Wars that was shown in theaters was released on VHS, Laserdisc and RCA VideoDisc. Seriously, at least know your poopie first. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ86iM7DTWwwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdz7u_cBseA |
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Post by Megalon on Sept 16, 2023 15:25:02 GMT -5
Is the WGA strike the reason for Season 14's delay? Has Joel or anyone else commented on it?
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Post by kracker on Sept 16, 2023 15:44:36 GMT -5
Season 14 was delayed long before the strike. They haven't done anything to start work on Season 14 at all. The strike will likely end well before they actually have to start writing Season 14. Also since they are a small indie studio that can comply with unions on their own, the strike probably wouldn't affect them anyway.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Sept 16, 2023 19:49:26 GMT -5
Once again, legality has nothing to do with this. You're going off on a completely different argument about whether I'm fine with the Star Wars Special Edition, while going on a weird tangent about AI paranoia. Take it to the Star Wars forum where they argue about that stuff. So when books get banned or censored, do they cease to be just because you can't buy them legally at the time? A work of art isn't erased or forever changed permanently just because you can't buy it legally at the time. Any day they could say they are going to release the original Star Wars again and that retroactively wipes out your argument. In the original Star Wars that was shown in theaters Han Solo shot first according to millions of viewers. The original version of Star Wars as shown in theaters was never released. The released version shows something different. BTW that is false. It was released. I had Star Wars on VHS as a kid. And Han shot first. From 1977 to 1997, the original version of Star Wars that was shown in theaters was released on VHS, Laserdisc and RCA VideoDisc. Seriously, at least know your poopie first. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ86iM7DTWwwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdz7u_cBseAOkay, where do I buy it now in a modern format? I brought up AI because that's one of the reasons for the strike. |
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Post by kracker on Sept 16, 2023 20:25:54 GMT -5
Same place where you buy the Holiday Special  Once again, whether you can buy it today on your Super Ultra 4K HD with Digital Copy or whatever is completely irrelevant. Banned books, media is still art with value. In fact, greater value than when it was available. You're actually proving that with the example of the original Star Wars which is even more appreciated due to the fact that it is now rare. It got changed, replaced by something else when it absolutely didn't need to that is not the original Star Wars, it is something drastically different, and of diminished value, as you have illustrated. Your point was that it never released publicly and that was wrong, so now you've moved it to 'well i cant buy it' which is irrelevant. You're arguing about something else, so moving on. |
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Post by monkeypretzel on Sept 17, 2023 12:50:34 GMT -5
Is the WGA strike the reason for Season 14's delay? Has Joel or anyone else commented on it?
The real reason is that they need money to pay anyone to start work on Season 14, and they can't get that money until they have a fundraiser, and they can't have a fundraiser until they get the rewards from the last Kickstarter shipped and sorted. The strike happened at a good time to become an excuse, and if it lasts beyond the time the rewards are finished shipping, it will become the reason for the delay being extended, but it's not the cause of the delay at this point. As for Joel commenting on it, I don't believe he has. I haven't seen anything from anyone who was at the event last weekend (9/9/23) at the Puppet Museum in Atlanta that would indicate Joel said something. In fact, I've seen nothing about what was said at that event at all, just some pictures. What did interest me was that the bio for the event stated that Joel is living in LA again. Would that mean that the Alternaversal offices outside Philly (in Horsham, PA) are closed and are going to move west? I know that's a big leap, but I do know that Joel has never set up residence very far from his work site throughout his life. I also know that he sold his house in PA last summer. |
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Post by BoB3K on Sept 18, 2023 11:33:30 GMT -5
What did interest me was that the bio for the event stated that Joel is living in LA again. Would that mean that the Alternaversal offices outside Philly (in Horsham, PA) are closed and are going to move west? Maybe just the bio writer pulling data from an old source? |
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Post by kracker on Sept 20, 2023 0:05:14 GMT -5
The real reason is that they need money to pay anyone to start work on Season 14, and they can't get that money until they have a fundraiser, and they can't have a fundraiser until they get the rewards from the last Kickstarter shipped and sorted. The strike happened at a good time to become an excuse, and if it lasts beyond the time the rewards are finished shipping, it will become the reason for the delay being extended, but it's not the cause of the delay at this point. Rewards shipping isn't the cause of the delay. Did they actually say that or are we just speculating again? There's no reason why they cant go ahead and do a new pledge drive, selling season passes and some new merch and whatnot, only now through the Gizmoplex rather than spending a third of the money on Kickstarter crap. The idea that they cant work on a new season until they finish shipping out rewards is ridiculous because production is always going to be a lengthy ongoing process. They can easily work on both concurrently. There was no way they were going to be able to get the Blu-ray sets done any earlier than they did. |
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Post by kracker on Sept 20, 2023 11:04:21 GMT -5
UPDATE on shipping: Received a shipping notification two days ago and got my package just now.
Despite me opting out and getting a refund, they STILL sent me all the rewards including the poster and concession kit, which as promised is going in the garbage. And it was a HUGE freaking box like at least a 4 four long by 1 foot wide box. So to anyone bitching and moaning: 30 bucks to get this thing Fedex'ed to me in a couple days is more than reasonable.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Sept 25, 2023 11:18:49 GMT -5
My rewards showed up this morning. They’re all looking good and were well packed.
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