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Post by Buddhist Kitten on Jan 22, 2004 19:19:06 GMT -5
It is kinda fun to make fun of the higher above you. You know, to point out little things. . . Like the fact that Jesus was born 4 B.C. . . . So, if magically The Brains gets to make fun of LOTR or Ben Hur or anyother good movie, I am all for it.
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Post by Emperor Cupcake on Jan 22, 2004 20:18:52 GMT -5
I'll have to agree with everybody on this one. People need to lighten the hell up. If MST had riffed GOOD movies (which it most assuredly did not), then I'd still think it was hilarious and be 100% behind the concept. There are no sacred cows, in my opinion.
I'm reminded of something George Carlin once said about people telling him he couldn't joke about certain things. "I believe you can joke about anything... It all depends on how you construct the joke. People said, 'You can't joke about rape, rape's not funny!' F*** YOU, I think it's hilarious! I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Elmer Fudd raping Porky Pig." ;D
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Post by nightfalcawk on Jan 22, 2004 20:25:14 GMT -5
If everyone made fun of each other there would be no hate. How retarded do you have to be to look at the Taco Bell dog and say "That represents me."?
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Post by nightfalcawk on Jan 22, 2004 20:34:25 GMT -5
"jevan003 Australia
Date: 16 March 2003 Summary: Subtle but not without insight
This movie is an interesting exposition of the human condition. Despite the unfortunate title, this movie has little to do with the DC comic. This is a more serious movie, although there is a concrete 'superhero' metaphor. (You really have to watch and UNDERSTAND the movie understand this) As demonstrated on this site, I think most people will miss the subtlety of this film, and the issues of deep human psychy that it deals with. Unfortunately, in order to pursue these theames, the film makers were forced to make some concession in terms of the continuity and the addition of scenes which are really pointless in terms of the overall plot. A cinamatic masterpiece, but for the reasons above, often critercised and agrivating to the less knowledgeable."
He spelled "critical", "themes", and "psyche" wrong. Remind me again, who is less knowledgeable? The people who tear apart this masterpeice about the confounding human sexy- I mean psychy- I mean psyche, or the people who see a bad film as a bad film. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Post by nightfalcawk on Jan 22, 2004 20:40:27 GMT -5
Simply that I hate that guy. I hate him sooooo much!
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Post by mightyjack on Jan 22, 2004 22:55:36 GMT -5
But you know, If SNL gets one of the LOTR cast to guest host. They'll do a skit on it. Mad magazie has probably allready done one of their satires on it.
So why couldn't MST do LOTR as well?
I like that the concept of the show is knocking cheesy movies, it makes it fun for me. But they did make me laugh at a few of the high brow, quality movies in their Oscar and Summer blockbuster specials.
I mean I'm here for the laughs. And they did make me laugh at Amistad and Mrs Brown in those short clips.
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Post by mightyjack on Jan 23, 2004 0:06:18 GMT -5
I can respect that. I couldn't see how they could riff on "Schindlers List" anyway, not a funny movie in the least.
As to LOTR, I do respect the effort and the craftmanship of the movie. It's just that fantasy has never been a genra I could get into. The elves and magic... I have no idea why. Even when I was told that I had to read the "Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" because I'd love it even if I wasn't into that type of book. Nope, I got bored with it. I respect the talent but the style just isn't me.
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Post by Torgo on Jan 23, 2004 0:08:56 GMT -5
But I enjoyed Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan. Would I want them to make fun of those? No, mostly becuase the dark subject matter. And even though I know you think LOTR is silly MJ, I found it a moving, awesome masterpiece, and I wouldn't like them to riff it, mostly becuase I found it too perfect, and too good to even criticize it in the first palce. But there's a major difference between LOTR and Schindler's List/Saving Private Ryan. Both SL and SPR were based around actuall events and LOTR is a made up fantasy world. No matter how well respected, it's still off in it's own little world. Riffing on reality is of course going to be much harder than a fictional universe.
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Post by Ator on Jan 23, 2004 3:23:52 GMT -5
But I enjoyed Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan. Would I want them to make fun of those? No, mostly becuase the dark subject matter. And even though I know you think LOTR is silly MJ, I found it a moving, awesome masterpiece, and I wouldn't like them to riff it, mostly becuase I found it too perfect, and too good to even criticize it in the first palce. You are definitely correct on that aspect. Riffing on a movie that is on such a touchy subject would be unnacceptable. Of course, there are those movies that take themselves seriously, and try to deliver a serious subject, but fail miserably. I would say Pearl Harbor didn't do too good of a job. Same with Titanic, which I felt had some odd acting, and overly drawn out presentation in general. However, the ending made me pretty sad, which is rare in movies that I didn't particularly enjoy.
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Post by NewGirl731 on Jan 23, 2004 8:13:32 GMT -5
Re LOTR - They're my favorites. But everyone raise your hands who wasn't doing the Curly "Woo woo woo woo!" in your heads when Saruman was spinning Gandalf around in Orthanc! I bet most of you were. I love it, but I can't help riffing it. But I'd cringe if the guys did it, although I'd be laughing. In summary, I think nothing is above riffing (as can be seen by the numerous times LOTR is used as rif material by the guys anyway...)
But I think the fact that MST's riffing has caused so much backlash is an important point. If they hadn't been so on target and sharp in their jokes, no one would be ragging on it now. And that proves to me at least that MST is important and intelligent.
I also think some movies would be harder to riff than others. And I think joking about some of the darker subjects is kind of callous, and I think the guys would agree...
"Beware the Balrog" (Joel) "Balrog? Is that from Lord of the Rings? Do we need to get our eight-sided dice and lace up leather boots out?" (Tom Servo) "Yeah. You know if you saw my lace up leather boots, I'd have to kill you..." (Joel) - Earth vs. the Spider
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Post by Rowsdower on Jan 23, 2004 15:15:55 GMT -5
Okay...this where I might disagree with y'all. I would like to take the piss out of Schindler's List and it would be the kind of pompous crap that I would attack if I had my own MST3K show. I LOATHE Speilberg, he ruined American Cinema... he is such an ego-hound...he makes films for two reasons and two reasons only:
1) To be able to roll around in his stacks of money (his net worth is around $700,000,000)
2) To win accolades and Oscars (the EGO thang)
He is NOT a film maker...he is a walking talking ego that is out of control. Every single film he has made has a goddamned MAKING OF video...as if we need to see how he produced such crappola as Jurassic PArk of Saving Private Ryan. Gah! And even films that he was loosely connected to, he appears telling us how he was involved. Like American Beauty (another crap film), which, if you watch the accompanying vid, you'd be convinced that it was a film that he directed.
I'd love to attack films by Spielberg, Gallo, Korine, Araki, Altman...
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Post by Poe33 on Jan 23, 2004 15:19:43 GMT -5
Okay...this where I might disagree with y'all. I would like to take the piss out of Schindler's List and it would be the kind of pompous crap that I would attack if I had my own MST3K show. I LOATHE Speilberg, he ruined American Cinema... he is such an ego-hound...he makes films for two reasons and two reasons only: 1) To be able to roll around in his stacks of money (his net worth is around $700,000,000) 2) To win accolades and Oscars (the EGO thang) He is NOT a film maker...he is a walking talking ego that is out of control. Every single film he has made has a goddamned MAKING OF video...as if we need to see how he produced such crappola as Jurassic PArk of Saving Private Ryan. Gah! And even films that he was loosely connected to, he appears telling us how he was involved. Like American Beauty (another crap film), which, if you watch the accompanying vid, you'd be convinced that it was a film that he directed. I'd love to attack films by Spielberg, Gallo, Korine, Araki, Altman... Wohhh!! I kind of agree (although I LOVE Jaws and Close Encounters) I think everything is fair game. I am a proud iconoclast. Hell, I would love to riff Bible films. Its fun and healthy ina democracy (are we still one?)
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Jan 23, 2004 18:58:32 GMT -5
I agree, but however, even though Michael J. Nelson did say he'd love to do Titanic for the show, and I agree it is a bit of a corny movie, there are some scenes that could not be riffed. Such as the dead people floating around that had froze to death and such. . If they had a shot at Titanic I'm sure they would edit it like they did many movies. I think they would concentrate on the love story not the loss of life. That could work.
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Post by Buddhist Kitten on Jan 23, 2004 22:42:20 GMT -5
Okay...this where I might disagree with y'all. I would like to take the piss out of Schindler's List and it would be the kind of pompous crap that I would attack if I had my own MST3K show. I LOATHE Speilberg, he ruined American Cinema... he is such an ego-hound...he makes films for two reasons and two reasons only: 1) To be able to roll around in his stacks of money (his net worth is around $700,000,000) 2) To win accolades and Oscars (the EGO thang) He is NOT a film maker...he is a walking talking ego that is out of control. Every single film he has made has a goddamned MAKING OF video...as if we need to see how he produced such crappola as Jurassic PArk of Saving Private Ryan. Gah! And even films that he was loosely connected to, he appears telling us how he was involved. Like American Beauty (another crap film), which, if you watch the accompanying vid, you'd be convinced that it was a film that he directed. I'd love to attack films by Spielberg, Gallo, Korine, Araki, Altman... OH YEAH!!! FELLOW SPIELBERG HATER!!!! KUBRICK>SPIELBERG
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Post by mightyjack on Jan 24, 2004 0:51:22 GMT -5
"American Beauty" was a work of pure genius and one that I don't think a person under 40 can "fully" appreciate. Oh now don't get all up in arms you youngins. You can have empathy for the characters, understand the satire and intellectually wrap your brain around it in technical terms. You could love the movie for many reasons. But it's a whole different thing when a film crawls into your soul and brain.
In other words, walk a mile in my shoes and then watch that movie. One day, after years of the same old grind, you wake up and wonder "What the hell happened to my life? When did I lose control of it and become this sleepwalker?"
No, I never had an affair with a teenager or bought a fast shiny red car (I did buy a loud shiny red drum kit, that I cant play!) but "American Beauty" spoke to me on a very personal level that was both sad, haunting and in a strange way, uplifting.
Sorry, I'll step off my soap box. Just had to give props to a movie that was important to me.
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