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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Dec 23, 2017 22:34:38 GMT -5
If you feel the need to leave, I hope the best with your journey.
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Post by ProjectedPaul on Dec 27, 2017 11:20:15 GMT -5
Joshua Murphy of The MSTiecast has posted Part 2 of his interview with Wade Williams. Wade gives his thoughts about MST3K and licensing his films to Shout Factory.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Dec 28, 2017 11:26:54 GMT -5
Something occurred to me in regards to Delta Knights.
Maybe it's never received a DVD release for region 1 because neither VHS sold well back in the 90s?
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Post by Udvarnoky on Dec 28, 2017 11:28:02 GMT -5
Who is this contingent of "movers and shakers" that supposedly gave Williams a hard time about Rocketship X-M ending up on MST3K? Was the reaction really that thunderous? Did it really continue well past the airdate of the episode? I mean, Williams makes it seem like he was outright beset by absolutely outraged film makers over this particular episode. I am sure there were people who were unhappy, in the same way we know Joe Dante was unhappy about the use of Marooned by MST3K, but I'm dubious about the dramatic picture Williams paints.
I will say that it was worth hearing Williams' position from his own mouth, where we have the opportunity to hear the tone and eloquence of his position. While he doesn't tell us anything we don't already know about his stance, it's nice to hear the human being who is expressing it. You don't get an accurate tenor when you only have terse forums posts to go by and which are too easy to interpret in a biased way and used as reinforcement of a caricature.
But I'm left with the same impression that I had before: Wade's sentimental attachment to this film makes him unwilling to license the movie. Period. The way he tries to frame it as almost a matter of self-preservation, like it's all because he's afraid the genre community will burn him at the stake if he grants the license, feels false or at least inflated. The decision is his alone.
Let's take Wade at his word on this. Let's say this is a fear-based stance and it really is all about the backlash. The fact remains that withholding the license simply to avoid the pissy reaction of a small, vocal crowd that isn't particularly rational (Williams himself concedes that these same people already gave him grief about the episode in 1990 when he had nothing to do with that original license - so why is he so eager to placate them?), doesn't strike me as a very impressive position.
You could portray MSTies the same way, I suppose, but the difference is they're on the side of not burying something. The MST3K episode exists, like it or not, and at a certain point it's a matter of preservation. Nothing is stopping Rocketship X-M from getting a pristine Blu-ray loaded with reverential extra features. Wade Williams is stopping a classic show from having an important episode available. It's really that simple. If the original movie really is a classic, and if any mockery of it really is inappropriate, then let the market decide. Perhaps he'll be validated and the original film will sell like hot cakes while the MST3K release flops. He'll still have his fee from Shout! either way.
And if Wade really does have "friends" who would make his life hell should he commit the mortal sin of not suppressing the official release of an episode of a TV show that everyone who wants to has seen anyway, then his response should be to congratulate them -- for enjoying such conflict-free lives that THIS is what they consider worth getting indignant about.
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Post by said43 on Dec 29, 2017 0:43:13 GMT -5
Something occurred to me in regards to Delta Knights. Maybe it's never received a DVD release for region 1 because neither VHS sold well back in the 90s? Possible, but given the plethora of bargain bin DVD collections, one would think that it'd at least end up on one of those no matter how poorly the VHS releases sold.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jan 1, 2018 13:48:45 GMT -5
Welp, 2017 is now officially over.
Hopefully Shout will manage to get Space Children out on DVD....
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Post by zombiewhacker on Jan 2, 2018 19:50:51 GMT -5
Could the "unlikely" Olive Film eps be more accurately viewed as "unlikely for right now"?
AFAIK, Olive Film hasn't expressed some ideological "over my dead body" stance on the issue -- unlike Wade, Susan, and the good people at Toho.
Also, if I'm understanding this conversation correctly, Olive doesn't hold the rights to their films in perpetuity.
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Post by ProjectedPaul on Jan 5, 2018 11:11:21 GMT -5
Welp, 2017 is now officially over. Hopefully Shout will manage to get Space Children out on DVD.... Olive Films still offers The Space Children for sale on DVD and Blu-ray thru their online store: olivefilms.com/product/space-children/I think this suggests that their licensing deal on a per title basis with Paramount might last longer than the usual 5 years minimum. Remember how Shout Factory first began releasing MST3k episodes of films from major studios? That began with Volume 25, with Universal licensing Revenge of the Creature and Kitten With A Whip, and MGM giving them Operation Double 007 and Robot Holocaust. Volume 25 released in December 2012, almost exactly 5 years ago. That set is still in print, which means Shout still has the rights from those major studios. I would assume Olive might have the rights to Space Children, as well as Fire Maidens and Deadly Bees for a little more than the usual 5 years each from their respective calendar release years. Release years for the Olive Films - Paramount movies: Space Children: 2012 Fire Maidens of Outer Space: 2013 Deadly Bees: 2015 Also, I think specialty labels like Shout and Olive are also given additional time after their licensing agreements end to sell off remaining, unsold inventory. In the recent interview, Wade Williams says that even when his licensing agreement with Image Entertainment expired on January 1st, 2016 with the rights reverting back to him, Image still had another 6 months to sell off unsold DVDs of the films. I would assume the same might apply with Olive Films.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jan 5, 2018 15:43:33 GMT -5
So I guess at this point it's pretty much a "we'll see what happens in the future" deal.
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Post by GodzFire on Jan 5, 2018 22:50:00 GMT -5
Seriously, let's find out who the hell own Quest Of The Delta Knights! It's blowin' my cotton-pickin mind that even now no one knows who owns it, especially being such a (relatively) new movie!
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Post by timmy on Jan 6, 2018 15:46:06 GMT -5
Seriously, let's find out who the hell own Quest Of The Delta Knights! It's blowin' my cotton-pickin mind that even now no one knows who owns it, especially being such a (relatively) new movie! maybe the people who made it don't even know who owns it (its someone who doesn't even know they own the rights to it).
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Post by travis on Jan 8, 2018 6:38:26 GMT -5
Seriously, let's find out who the hell own Quest Of The Delta Knights! It's blowin' my cotton-pickin mind that even now no one knows who owns it, especially being such a (relatively) new movie! I would have never thought DELTA KNIGHTS would turn out to be a "mystery" title... While the film has obviously had been licensed for the international market (judging from the random DVD releases from around the world I've come across), the U.S. distribution rights must have gotten shuffled in the years since its VHS debut. It is weird, considering it's a newer DTV movie (and one that was played quite frequently on Sci-Fi back when, not that TV rights have much say in this matter). So either Shout has had difficulty finding where the chain-of-ownership ends, or it's wound up in the hands of some defunct company, or is currently held by an individual who isn't interested in licensing it/wants too much money. I wish we knew what was the case!
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Post by Torgo on Jan 8, 2018 8:49:31 GMT -5
Historians were outraged that MST dared mock what is in fact the finest film portrayal of Leonardo da Vinci to date and protested the episode. Shout just doesn't want the controversy.
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Post by said43 on Jan 8, 2018 15:43:50 GMT -5
Maybe it's owned by the Renaissance fair it was filmed at.
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Post by zombiewhacker on Jan 8, 2018 23:02:36 GMT -5
Maybe Roger Corman bought the rights, then hid them away as revenge for Shout's release of Deathstalker Warriors From Hell.
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