Lee Van Cleef
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I hope it never stops being the 70's or we'll all be in trouble!
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Post by Lee Van Cleef on Jan 29, 2008 23:06:02 GMT -5
I actually find the BBQ sauce host seg to be quite funny. Just the thought of Mike, in that hat, and the silly sound effect they made, to go with over-the-top dialogue, makes me smile as I type this (with a million commas).
I've always liked The Starfighters right from the first viewing. The riffs are great, especially for a movie as boring as it is. (Similar to the way they made Racket Girls a great episode by coming up with lots of good riffing to go with long stretches of boringness, IMO). I even feel that the bright blue color of the movie makes it more conducive to gazing my eyes upon. Yeah I'm weird, I know.
Back to the BBQ skit, I felt they did a fine job of mocking ads for 'spicy Hot' BBQ sauce which turn out to be not all that hot. They went a long way to make the point, but they always go a long way to make points. I'm used to that aspect of mst, and I don't mind it. It makes it more unforgettable, at least.
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Post by SOL Stowaway on Jan 30, 2008 14:23:23 GMT -5
It doesn't help that the movie's abominable, but given its high rating, it made it doubly disappointing for me. The movie sucks, but I wouldn't say it's abominable. Even without the riffing it's pretty funny, in the same cheesy 70's way that "San Francisco International" or "Riding With Death" are. I have to respectfully disagree with you there. "San Francisco International" is a relatively watchable "film" and features mostly excellent riffing. I'd say it's about 30% cheese...but I'll bump that up to 50%, since cheese was Urkel's favorite. "Riding with Death" is a fast-paced, ultra-watchable "film" with some of the strongest riffing in MSTory, IMO. It's also 100% cheese, baby turkey! "Mitchell" is a bland and uninteresting film. And I don't see how it could be classified as "cheesy". Greasy? Definitely. But cheesy? Like "Cosmic Princess", "Catalina Caper", "Time of the Apes", "Gamera vs Guiron", "Teen-Age Strangler", "Angels' Revenge", "Samson vs the Vampire Women", "Hobgoblins" and "Space Mutiny" are? I...just don't see how. The riffing only gives me a few chuckles throughout...and it just doesn't improve for me on repeat viewings. It's easily the most overrated episode I've seen. I love most of the host segments, though...especially Gypsy & Mike's roles in them. I'm just not too crazy about how rushed Joel's farewell was. And he deserved a much, much better final film, IMO.
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Post by Trumpy's Magic Snout on Jan 30, 2008 16:14:51 GMT -5
Starfighters gets much better on repeated viewings. it took about three or four viewings of Starfighters to realise its genius. I'd say try watching it in three bits as nothing happens in the movie for you to lose track of! The riffing during all of those dull overlong flying scenes is simply hilarious. The fact that they have made this movie entertaining may be one of the Brains' finest achievements!
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Post by quinnmartin on Jan 31, 2008 8:38:21 GMT -5
The movie sucks, but I wouldn't say it's abominable. Even without the riffing it's pretty funny, in the same cheesy 70's way that "San Francisco International" or "Riding With Death" are. I have to respectfully disagree with you there. "San Francisco International" is a relatively watchable "film" and features mostly excellent riffing. I'd say it's about 30% cheese...but I'll bump that up to 50%, since cheese was Urkel's favorite. "Riding with Death" is a fast-paced, ultra-watchable "film" with some of the strongest riffing in MSTory, IMO. It's also 100% cheese, baby turkey! "Mitchell" is a bland and uninteresting film. And I don't see how it could be classified as "cheesy". Greasy? Definitely. But cheesy? Like "Cosmic Princess", "Catalina Caper", "Time of the Apes", "Gamera vs Guiron", "Teen-Age Strangler", "Angels' Revenge", "Samson vs the Vampire Women", "Hobgoblins" and "Space Mutiny" are? I...just don't see how. The riffing only gives me a few chuckles throughout...and it just doesn't improve for me on repeat viewings. It's easily the most overrated episode I've seen. I love most of the host segments, though...especially Gypsy & Mike's roles in them. I'm just not too crazy about how rushed Joel's farewell was. And he deserved a much, much better final film, IMO. Mitchell is certainly greasy, I can't argue with you there, and it's not really goofy like a lot of the movies you mentioned, but there's a lot of what I would call "cheese" there too. A lot of the music is pure 70's cheese. The over-the-top acting of the main bad guy is cheesy. Any time Merlin Olsen is on screen it's cheesy. Mitchell's yelling fight with the little kid is pure cheese. All of the lame attempts at humor are fairly cheesy. The super slow car chase was very cheesy. And really, "Riding with Death" fast paced and ultra-watchable? I like that episode, and there's a lot to make fun of in that 'movie', but to me that movie makes "Code Name: Diamond" look fast paced.
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Post by General Tom Servo on Jan 31, 2008 12:40:10 GMT -5
Mitchell might be cheesy in a sense but it's not in a good, entertaining sort of way. It's just a dull genre film by a hack director with Joe Don Baker as an action hero.
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Post by inlovewithcrow on Feb 1, 2008 12:31:49 GMT -5
I have to go find my post on this and find some way to stuff "Ring of Terror" into it. I just saw it for the first time a couple weeks ago and wow--bad, bad, bad movie. That's not a plot. It doesn't even qualify as a story! At best, it's an anecdote, and a dull one, put to film
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Post by Bix Dugan on Feb 1, 2008 13:14:20 GMT -5
Re: xmattxyzx- I read in more than one review of Catalina Caper that they do their "You're a bad person because you're white" routine alot in this episode. In Jungle Goddess when they did it, it was justified. They came right to the edge of taking it too far though. I am against racism period. Just because someone is being racist against white people, it doesn't make it excusable. I always wince when I hear a racist remark, regardless of who it is against. Thankfully, they toned that down in later episodes. Maybe all the "white" jokes sprouted from the fact that there's so many people in bathing suits in CC, white skin nearly covers the whole screen at times...
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Post by quinnmartin on Feb 1, 2008 13:24:52 GMT -5
I have to go find my post on this and find some way to stuff "Ring of Terror" into it. I just saw it for the first time a couple weeks ago and wow--bad, bad, bad movie. That's not a plot. It doesn't even qualify as a story! At best, it's an anecdote, and a dull one, put to film That one was a tough one to enjoy the first time, but by the second or third viewing I found it quite enjoyable. Almost like "Manos" or "The Creeping Terror", you have to watch it enough times to get past the awfulness of the movie and appreciate the humor. Certainly the murky sound, dark picture, and lack of plot make that hard to do the first time you view it. The short is terrible, but between the "Old School" host segment, Frank's song, and the ample riffing opportunities provided by the very non-college student nature of the college students in the movie - I'd say it's a solid middle-of-the pack episode. But I can imagine how it'd be tough to find this one real enjoyable if you're watching it after having seen all of the great episodes they would produce later on.
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Post by xmattxyzx on Feb 1, 2008 13:37:21 GMT -5
Those serial shorts are just so awful.
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