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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 13, 2023 16:59:40 GMT -5
Yes, since K01 and K02 weren't there, it makes me think it wasn't a complete collection of 197 episodes.
I need to do a more thorough look at picture later and try to estimate how many tapes are there, but I know from looking at photos of my vault tapes that those labels are different. All of my Vault tapes are handwritten on a custom MST3K template, those are printed. So it makes me think they were done later, maybe even after production shut down? In that weird period where Jim was still running the website and uploading stuff maybe? Hard to say.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 13, 2023 16:35:45 GMT -5
Just confirmed, this was the only tape they got. Whoever picked up the rest (in exchange for a case of beer) must've been pretty disappointed, lol.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 13, 2023 15:21:38 GMT -5
Or they'd use it as bait for the next campaign.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 13, 2023 14:48:15 GMT -5
My creeping worry is that his cousin did a cheap transfer, or uploads it straight to YouTube and not Archive.org uncompressed.
Or that he gives it to Joel and Co without posting or sharing it anywhere...
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 13, 2023 10:16:03 GMT -5
Also, while I appreciate you informing your subscribers, Kolos, I'd also be cautious with that community post on your channel because there's a good chance someone could see this and it might end up blowing up everywhere on social media before things are more "in the clear." *cough* Reddit *cough* I've edited the post to make it more clear to not share it anywhere yet. And I'm watching Reddit. If something pops up, I'll ask them to remove it.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 13, 2023 8:30:06 GMT -5
Now as far as who "Bill" is...
There's only ever been one Bill in the credits.
But it could be a situation like with the vault tapes and Tom Naunas, who was an associate of BBI and only consulted and they gave him whatever tapes he wanted.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 13, 2023 8:23:40 GMT -5
The way he describes them, as short blank breaks were the commercials would be, matches what my BBI vault tapes have. And those target brand VHS slip covers also match some of my BBI vault tapes.
The font on the titles looks familiar, too.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 13, 2023 8:21:33 GMT -5
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 13, 2023 8:20:41 GMT -5
Here's what he sent back with more info:
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 12, 2023 21:02:20 GMT -5
Ok, I found the obituary. Now I REALLY feel like a jerk. His uncle died November 30th.
Well, the believability just went way up. And so did my guilt.
Edit: And yes, I understand how creepy it is that I found that at all. Its a skill I picked up in a past-life working for a real estate law firm.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 12, 2023 20:31:54 GMT -5
Like, it smells fishy, but...
I did some digging into the guy. He is a legit person, and he does live in the Twin Cities, so...who knows. Maybe Jim or some longtime fan was having a garage sale and this guy wandered by and bought a 35-year old tape without knowing what specifically it was because his cousin collects MST3K tapes. And maybe that cousin only recently got around to digitizing it, and maybe he's on a a part of a small physical media forum/community (like those jerks that put out the original ktma files I edited into a higher quality) and maybe they're keeping it quiet on purpose. And maybe there was a death in the family that both delayed the release and makes the tape unsellable for sentimental reasons.
But that's A LOT of maybes.
Edit: Nope, seems legit.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 12, 2023 20:05:20 GMT -5
Got a response back.
Here's to hoping it is what he says.
But if his cousin's been collecting MST for the last decade and is a part of the community, he'd have said something to someone by now. You don't just find K03, digitize it, and sit quietly on it. You'd trumpet that around the MINUTE you find the tape and confirm it is what it is. So...my pessimism just went up a bit. But you never know. The sentimental reason for keeping the tape also seems... But it could be genuine and I'm just a pessimistic jerk. We'll see.
Edit: Seems legit, see down-thread. I'm a pessimistic jerk, confirmed.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 12, 2023 18:41:57 GMT -5
Ok, I may as well post it here.... A guy on Twitter says he found K03I enquired on Twitter, he says his cousin has the tape, made a digital copy, and will upload it to "an archive" at some point. He's clearly not a huge MSTie, and has almost no concept of what he's sitting on. I've replied to him a few times about either paying for and getting the tape, or just borrowing it, or to pass my info onto his cousin, but nothing so far. I found the guy's discord and messaged his profile on there just now with a longer message since his DMs on Twitter are turned off. But I'm not holding out much hope. I was going to post this on the subreddit, but I don't want it to blow up and people start harassing the guy (besides me, lol). If this guy were really smart he'd get the tape back from his cousin and hold what would be an apocalyptically expensive eBay auction. But as it is, I'm just hoping to get the digital file, at a minimum. Though I'd REALLY like to get my hands on that tape and run it through my own rig. Just thought I'd post it here, because I've been obsessing over this for the past 24 hours and now I've run out of ideas, barring him randomly messaging me back. I guess I'll give it another day or so and if he doesn't respond I'll release it out into the wider fandom than the people that check this message board.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 12, 2023 17:53:26 GMT -5
Just 1 so far, I have it uploaded. Its a re-run of K06.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 9, 2023 22:57:04 GMT -5
I accuse my endless procastination. And my parents. I'm sure they're at fault somehow.
Next episode!
507-I Accuse My Parents w/Short: The Truck Farmer
Short:
Farming exists and supports the food supply of the nation. And power machinery like trucks and trains transport vegetables quickly to the poor saps that live in areas too cold to grow them themselves. Who knew?!
The answer is: Everyone. Everyone knew. This short is entirely pointless, outside its giddiness to show virgin forests being slashed and burned and vegetables being sprayed with toxic poisons.
Movie:
While standing trial, Jimmy accuses his parents. The end! Goodnight, folks.
No, no. The film starts in media res, so there's a lot of movie left.
Jimmy recounts to the judge his horrifying upbringing: His parents were more interested in their own lives than in his! The horror! And he does well in school! The shame!
Mom's a lush that wears goofy hats. And dad...is...kinda grumpy and would rather be playing cards, I guess? In any case, they throw kickass parties for middle-aged people.
Jimmy is ashamed of them, creates elaborate stories about them and...this somehow leads to a life of crime. Jimmy's position that his problems stem from his home-life is a little spurious, to say the least. The fact that Jimmy's rock-stupid never seems to occur to anyone in the movie.
Like every movie made prior to 1960, there's at least 3 pointless musical numbers sung by Jimmy's sort-of girlfriend, Kitty. There's also a big-faced chef that plays the role of Jimmy's Obi Wan.
Host Segments:
Prologue: Tom wants to be a real boy. Segment 1: Cake 'n Shake. The junk drawer organizer. Segment 2: The robots draw their ideal families. Segment 3: Gypsy sings Are You Happy in Your Work. Segment 4: Analyzing Jimmy's psyche. Segment 5: Tom and Crow want a hamburger sandwich. The Mads save Rodney from the cake.
Things that I noticed:
-Per the slate card, this episode was filmed (or edited) on 5/10/93. Not included on the Shout DVD release.
-The MST Hour wraps (surprisingly included in the Singles Collection DVD set from Shout) feature Jack Perkins calling his parents, getting enraged and throwing the phone at the end of Part 1. At the end of Part 2, he breaks down and is comforted by several stage-hands, then sneaks off and laughs while they're giving each other a group hug. The copyright is for 1994, not 1993 like the other MST Hour wraps. 507 was the final MST Hour episode made.
-The tube of paint in the Prologue is simply called "NUDE".
-The mirror in the Prologue is pointed towards a rarely seen area of the bridge during the Comedy Central era: underneath and just past the left window.
-The film is one of the oldest ever featured on the show: from 1944.
-Tom is holding crayons in both his hands in Segment 2, making his slinky arms extra slink-y.
-The "Liar!" chant Joel and the bots do throughout the movie may be a reference to a Three Dog Night song appropriately called "Liar".
-Jimmy's salary at the shoe store ($25/week) is equivalent to ~$22,725/year in today's money, or $10.92/hour.
-The check at the all-night Hee-Haw-themed restaurant that Jimmy picks up ($78.80), would be equal to $1,377.53 today. HOW in god's name did they spend that much there? It looks like for a party of 3 they ordered 4 Lobster Louis, 4 Filet Mignon & 3 bottles of champagne. Strange.
-Segment 3 is quite possibly the best ever featured on the show. Its executed perfectly. The little details put into it, the escalation... *chef's kiss* I can't imagine the amount of work and prep that went into it. Gypsy follows a route from behind the desk, around it and to stage left. Joel goes back behind the camera at least twice. There are multiple copies of the bots in different costumes. But its executed so well that it flows and you don't really notice it on first viewing. Perfect.
-Also in Segment 3, Joel's wearing his red smoking jacket at the end (and he's still got pencil marks all over his face).
-In Segment 4, some of the items on the mobile that aren't remarked on: "Pinewood Derby", "Braces"
-In Segment 5, the bots want a charbroiled hamburger sandwich with french-fried potatoes, a call-back to 203-Jungle Goddess.
-Tom and Crow's tank, the Ann Blyth, is a re-purposed Tank Top from 204-Catalina Caper.
Favorite riffs or quotes:
-Crow: How many times have you gone rooting through your junk drawer muttering to yourself "Where'd I put that gun?"
-Narrator: Most of us think these people were really free. Joel: But they were just stupid.
-Joel: These select few are making three cents a day.
-Crow: Stupid trees, god I hate 'em!
-Tom: Now this tomato's highly deformed, but cut off the eyes and its good eatin'.
-Tom: They laughed when I accused my parents and I killed them. Let's see if they'll be laughing now.
-Joel: PS: Say yes to Martini & Rossi on the rocks, say yes.
-Tom: Mirror mirror on the wall...can I make it to last call?
-Jimmy: That's all she thinks about. Tom: That and twist-off caps.
-Joel: Eleanor Roosevelt's PISSED!
-Crow: So Jimmy, do you like your kneecaps?
-Crow: Geez! Who ate all this stuff? Joel: Do you remember a fourth person sitting here?
-Tom: The talking corpse.
-Joel: I won the get-the-crap-kicked-out-of-you contest!
-Tom: I'm upstairs with the DT's! Could you get the yellow lizard out of the bathroom?
-Tom: You ever worked as a boy before?
-Tom: So, how about a little sugar for Happy Chef over here?
-Joel: I Accuse My Parents, brought to you by Boones Farm.
Overall:
This is one of the Top 5 episodes. Period. A perfect episode. A perfect movie. A perfect short. Perfect riffing. Perfect host segments. Its really that simple.
And it looks effortless. But this episode was the culmination of 5 years of slow-build to this moment. There is SO MUCH work put into every facet of this episode. For example, even the the host segments, which usually are the low-points of most episodes for me, are all exquisite. They look simple but there was a huge amount of effort put into all of them. The giant cake, the Jimmy-mobile, the aforementioned Gypsy song. The camera angles on the SOL bridge are all varied for every segment.
But the riffing this episode. My goodness. The riffing is on fire. Its endlessly quotable. And this isn't really a movie or a genre one thinks of as being in MST's wheelhouse. But they understand the movie's vibe and tone and complement it PERFECTLY.
Just...perfection. I can't say enough about it.
Score: A+
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