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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Dec 2, 2016 8:08:50 GMT -5
I found it fascinating that Trace couldn’t make it for the first episode and Josh had no trouble voicing Crow. I wonder how far apart the first three episodes were filmed. It's interesting to note that K01, along with the pilot, is the only KTMA episode in which Joel wears his teal jumpsuit. Both K02 and K03 talk about Thanksgiving while K01 doesn't. Maybe when K01 was shot Trace hadn't committed to doing the show and decided to join between when those two episodes were shot. That would make a lot of sense especially if they had decided to give him the non-speaking Beeper role. It seems like K01 was initially shot as second pilot that was intended to air in MST3K's regular time slot but then KTMA decided they needed additional Thanksgiving programming and commissioned K02 and K03 shortly afterwards? Let's not forget that Trace was also absent from K05 and K06 as well, while Josh wasn't part of the theater segments of K05 and also left during the theater segments of K14. Trace and Josh were only paid something like $25 per episode and they no doubt needed their stand-up to pay the bills, so if it was a choice of doing stand-up or MST3K for that week, no doubt the stand-up won. As for the Thanksgiving airings. it could have been possible that MST3K could have intended to air the Sunday before Thanksgiving (on the 20th) but KTMA wanted a doublebill of episodes and if they aired K01 on the 20th, and then K02 and K03 for Thanksgiving, they probably wouldn't have had an episode for the Sunday that week. So they decided to air K01 and K02 for Thanksgiving and K03 three days later.
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Dec 2, 2016 7:52:30 GMT -5
I don't know what's happening. He's obviously trolling and trying to rustle some jimmies.
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 29, 2016 12:13:59 GMT -5
How many minutes would a complete KTMA host segment DVD be? Just a ballpark figure. There's a youtube video which contains all the KTMA host segments from K04-K21 (except for the previously lost final segment from K15) which clocks in at around 2 hours and 18 minutes, so I'd probably say around maybe 2 hours and 40 minutes?
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 26, 2016 17:44:31 GMT -5
I'm hoping that this can lead to more of the KTMA episodes being released, even if they have to be released like this, as downloads for free to get around legal matters. No doubt many of us would prefer upgrades to those 4th and 5th generation copies.
But it kind of feels fitting that these two episodes have been released in this manner, as the show itself was copied and passed around to others to create awareness of the show and bring in more and more people, despite the fact it was techincally illegal.
And it's nice to know that Joel seems to have lightened up to the KTMA episodes. Maybe he and the other Brains hadn't actually seen the episodes for years and years and just always assumed that they were bad compared to the later stuff. But after revisiting it, he seems a little more pleased with them.
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 25, 2016 23:07:53 GMT -5
That be Josh alright. Really odd when you think about it because Josh ends up playing Crow for the first televised episode (seeing as The Green Slime wasn't intended to air) so that does make Josh the first true blue Crow? Who played Servo/Beeper in K01 then? Nobody. The only bots that appear in K01 are Crow and Gypsy and both are performed by Josh. Beeper does get mentioned but he doesn't appear on screen. Which has got me thinking. We know from K00 - The Green Slime pilot that Trace was playing Crow and Josh played Beeper and Gypsy and in the pilot we see that Beeper only communicates in beeps and Gypsy is standard Gypsy, pretty dimwitted with grunts and screeches most of the time to communicate. So when it came to recording K01, no doubt Trace was out of town (since he was the one who was often missing out of the core three in the KTMA days) that Joel got Josh to puppet Crow for the episode because he wanted one of the bots in the theater with him and thought Crow would be the obvious choice. And because of this, maybe Joel decided at that point to scrap the Beeper character and create Servo, to allow another bot who could speak to be in the theater with him?
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 25, 2016 22:32:36 GMT -5
Really enjoying K01 right now. Like some have said, the episode really picks up once Crow joins Joel in the theater.
The only thing I disliked was the "pull my finger" riff. It was funny at first, but I think Joel has said it about 4 or 5 times in the episode. But that's only a minor issue.
I had to chuckle at seeing Josh's hand holding the Crow puppet in the first host segment he appears in.
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 25, 2016 21:40:00 GMT -5
Is that J Elvis Weinstein voicing Crow in the first episode? Interesting! That be Josh alright. Really odd when you think about it because Josh ends up playing Crow for the first televised episode (seeing as The Green Slime wasn't intended to air) so that does make Josh the first true blue Crow?
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 25, 2016 19:26:19 GMT -5
Well, holy sh*t. Even though a lot of people were calling it, I'm still stunned. Flat-out stunned. Sounds like K03 may still be AWOL. Maybe forever at this point. But this reveal is too good to not celebrate. Incredible. I'm not sure if K03 is missing. When Jim Mallon was posting KTMA clips on the old website, he included clips of K03 in there and it's a safe bet in order to do that he had to have the first three episodes converted to digital. So there should be a digital copy of K03 out there somewhere. Maybe Joel hasn't included it here because the bundle was for 12 episodes and K01 and K02 bring that total to 12.
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 24, 2016 18:10:09 GMT -5
If it is KTMA, I don't care which ep it is, first, middle, last, I just hope it's not of a later riffed ep like a Gamera or Star Force. I LOVE all of the made for TV move eps like SST: Deathflight and City on Fire, but it would also be awesome if it was one of the Sci Fi ones or of course Mysterions or Invaders of the Deep. Like you said, if it is a KTMA episode, I hope it's not one we already have, but if it is, I'd glady take it as it would be a great step up in quality compared to the copies we currently have.
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 22, 2016 20:54:47 GMT -5
I'm disappointed that some of the KTMA host segments have not survived/are too deteriorated. Hoping K01-03 aren't among them! I don't think they have announced that being the case, it's more likely that they have yet to find everything. The Best Brains library was no doubt large and it might simply be the case that some things weren't labelled correctly or misplaced.
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 22, 2016 11:58:37 GMT -5
Fans have been asking about KTMA releases for years, long before the Kickstarter or the MST3K revivial were even on Joel's radar. I'm sure Joel was well-aware of the fans' feelings on that matter before comments bubbled up in the Kickstarter comments. Oh I know fans have been asking about it for years, but before the kickstarter launched and people were asking about it there, the idea of the KTMA episodes seeing a release seemed impossible due to Jim Mallon being in control of MST3K before the sale to Shout!Factory. Joel seemed like the best chance possible since it was him who took his own copy of the KTMA pilot to DragonCon and allowed a fan to make a camcorder recording of it, so Joel has always seemed like the one guy who was more open to the idea of the KTMA episodes being seen than the likes of Mallon, even if Joel does believe they are pretty tough to sit through and watch. And now with Shout!Factory being the guys in control of the MST3K library, the chances are better. What I meant was if nobody spoke up about the lost KTMAs getting a release during the kickstarter, would the possibility of those episode being released (if they are released at all this Friday) seem less likely compared to the idea of them being released due to those that did voice an opinion and hope to see them during the kickstarter? Afterall, Joel was very active during the kickstarter talking to and responding to fans that maybe because of it he realised more so that people wanted the unseen KTMA episodes as much as seeing new MST3K.
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Post by TwinkieMcGee on Nov 22, 2016 10:18:32 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to whatever the Friday surprise will be. Like most of you, I'm hoping that it will be the lost 3 KTMA episodes because if so, the fandom will finally have every single MST3K episode produced in some form or another. And if it is the KTMA episodes, maybe this could lead to some of the others being released as well, we can finally have them in watchable condition compared to the 4th or 5th generation copies we currently have.
There is one question I have to ask. Was it Joel who came up with the possible idea of releasing the KTMA episodes, or were there people commenting on the kickstarter asking for them? And if it was fans asking, who were the first people asking? I'm wondering because in all of the excitement about new MST3K the kickstarter was generating at the time, we should be thankful to those who spoke up about possibly getting the oldest stuff released if it does turn out that Friday's surprise is KTMA goodness.
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