MCGREGOR!?!?!?!?!?
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Post by MCGREGOR!?!?!?!?!? on Jul 7, 2006 20:28:11 GMT -5
In the immortal words of Sgt. Hartman from full metal jacket: "Jesus H Christ!!" What is this world coming to!?!?! Ed Wood could write a better script than smith!
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Torgo
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Post by Torgo on Jul 7, 2006 20:33:45 GMT -5
No, I mean he's good at what he does, but I don't consider him genuis like some. As far as filmmaking goes, yes he is very amaturish. He even admits this and jokes about it quite often. However, he is a director that makes me look back at my life and the choices I made, even the inevitable ones. I find a certain truth in his films that is very hard to find elsewhere. Clerks, Dogma, Chasing Amy, and hell, even Mallrats all describe myself to some extent, and that's why I think of him so highly. Not everybody can appreciate his humor, but it's there and there are many people who can and will respond to it. I'm one of them.
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donmac
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Post by donmac on Jul 8, 2006 8:09:23 GMT -5
Why in the world would Smith be claiming that sh*thole of an ending as his own? Besides, the idea was actually taken from the original Pierre Boulle novel, it was just so warped by the time travel concept and "Thade on Earth?!?!" that it made absolutly no sense. Good question - I think it kinda blew up in Kevin Smith's face, so he soon retracted his accusations and claimed it was a joke. (Although joking that "you're going to sue!" is never a good idea in Hollywoodland, so I don't believe him.) As for Kevin Smith, he can write some funny dialogue but he is amazingly inept as a director and can't write a good ending for the life of him. Clerks is still his best movie because it just ends instead of having one of his usual awful endings. (Yes, I've seen the deleted "Original Ending" for that movie and it sucks!)
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Post by mightyjack on Jul 8, 2006 8:48:34 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks Kevin Smith is overrated and not all that funny? We agree on this. I hate the bastard. I hate Clerks even. I hate that he killed Karen Page in the Daredevil comic. The man doen't know how to write a decent ending. End o rant
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Post by ash2 on Jul 8, 2006 9:37:49 GMT -5
Kevin Smith encourages me to write scripts because he makes it look easy to be a success with subpar scripts and bad actors. I have enjoyed all of his movies though and haven't found the endings to be particularly bad. I even really enjoyed his run on the Green Arrow comic.
Tim Burton is not a director, he is a modern day artist. I consider his films to be a canvas. I haven't seen Planet of the Apes, but I expect it is quite bad.
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Post by monarch on Jul 9, 2006 8:40:16 GMT -5
Tim Burton is not a director, he is a modern day artist. I consider his films to be a canvas. I haven't seen Planet of the Apes, but I expect it is quite bad. Tim Burton is a glorified film school student. He plagiarized all his movie backgrounds from expressionist german silent pictures. If you don't believe me, take a look at Robert Wiene's The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. I applaud him for recognizing these films but he should site them regularly as his main influence.
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Post by mightyjack on Jul 9, 2006 8:54:05 GMT -5
Every artist borrows or is inspired by someone. Hitchcock too was inspired by expressionism and the films of Fritz Lang. And he borrowed certain scenes from Orson Welles' "Touch Of Evil" when he made Psycho - Begman in turn, borrowed from Hitchcock (The dinner scene in "Cries and Whispers" with the broken glass and the line "Tissue of lies" comes directly from the Paradine Case)
Inspiration doesn't make him a plagiarist nor invalidate his contribution to the medium. Burton is flawed, but he's made some of my favorite films (Edward Scissorhands in particular)
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Post by ash2 on Jul 9, 2006 9:22:24 GMT -5
Tim Burton is a glorified film school student. He plagiarized all his movie backgrounds from expressionist german silent pictures. If you don't believe me, take a look at Robert Wiene's The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. I applaud him for recognizing these films but he should site them regularly as his main influence. I'm pretty sick about hearing about german expressionist films. Considering there were only about three of them. They were the first to think about film as art but that doesn't mean that everyone else that does the same is plagarizing.
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Post by Jet Jagwart on Jul 11, 2006 13:13:12 GMT -5
I thought the movie was great, it just needed more of Superman ass-kicking. I mean, there wasn't really any. Yeah, there was that scene with Lex Luthor confronting Superman and shooting him but not killing him, but they didn't do any hand to hand combat. The whole thing was pretty much Superman saving a bunch of people, getting beaten by that krypton thing, and then picked up that big continent and throwing it to outer space, with the rest being character development. And the villains didn't even die at the end! All around good movie, just needed more fight scenes, a smaller runtime, and the kid could've had more lines and a frickin' shorter haircut. I'm just not into seeing movies that have creepy little kids who barely talk at all and have weird, long haircuts while at the same time just sitting there doing almost nothing.
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