Jackie does, however, have a point: long-time MST3K fans have gone through a lot with the show and certainly, in many cases, would be much more committed and have much more personally invested in MST than a Rifftrax fan would typically have invested in Rifftrax.
Gone through a lot? You make it sound like a civil rights movement. The grueling downloading, the sweat and tears put into copying tapes, the endless debating over which Crow was better. Keeping the Dream ALIVE!
I tend to say what's on my mind. And I hate the whole attitude of "well, you're not a real fan like ME."
Yes, but I know Jackie well enough to know that she isn't elitist. Jackie Frost is one of the nicest members of this board and my point is, primarily, that you might try to learn who you're speaking with before you make too many assumptions about the intent behind someone's post(s). I'm sure that Jackie would clarify her statements (which do appear potentially inflammatory, from a point of view) if she were here more often.
I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. If you say Jackie's a nice person, then I have no problem believing you. My sole issue was with her comments, which rubbed me the wrong way.
Effectively, I'm saying, "Chill out."
Sound advice, if I were the one who had started this thread in the first place. This discussion started off with people kvetching about another group of people; I have simply offered the observation that it's pointless kvetching.
Jackie does, however, have a point: long-time MST3K fans have gone through alot with the show and certainly, in many cases, would be much more committed and have much more personally invested in MST than a Rifftrax fan would typically have invested in Rifftrax. Most devoted MSTies have many, many fond memories of the show and, if they've been fans for years, their love for it obviously runs much deeper than it would for someone who's just discovered something that was started within the past year or so, regardless of how fond of it they are. It has nothing to do with one group being better than the other - it has everything to do with experience and personal history, an old oak versus a sapling. Also, Rifftrax is the sort of thing to more easily attract casual fans than MST3K does, since it deals with modern movies and is much more heavily promoted than MST3K (these days, at least; at MST's height, it was, of course, fairly well-promoted for a time), so she has a point there, too.
It's a bit much to say that they aren't MSTies, but many of them probably aren't hardcore fans, even if they enjoy the show. Besides, names like "MSTie" or "Trekker/Trekkie" have always, in my view, indicated a level of, uh, hardcoreness... hardcorousity? Otherwise, they're just someone who happens to enjoy the show. Not a bad thing, but we're talking about differing levels of fandom.
I really don't think we are. At the risk of excessively repeating myself (something I already do entirely too much as I get older; I don't need any help doing it), I will reiterate: we're talking about the SAME GODDAMNED PEOPLE. The way you're presenting it seems like the sole criterion for being "hardcore" is participation in this forum. As a fifteen-year MST3K fan, and a VERY recent arrival in these here online parts, I thoroughly reject that notion.
A Lone Micronaut , Lost In A World of Star Wars Action Figures...
Understandably, Rifftrax is going to moderate their board their way, and we're going to moderate our board our way. And I like our board. We might not have Mike around to try to impress, but we do have that one guy who knew that one girl whose brother-in-law used to do the weekend cleaning on the warehouse next door to BBI back in the day...
But really, there's no need to flame anyone, and it seems that's all this type of thread is good for, so I'm gonna moderate it our way...
...with extreme locked-ness.
As my best friend's alcoholic father used to say, "Play nice or get the hell out!"