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Post by crowschmo on Nov 16, 2016 18:09:04 GMT -5
^^^^Interesting. I didn't notice the wall hanging, either. I guess you have to look at every little detail in this show, eh? I didn't know if the commenter online had caught something that had really occurred, or if, like so many other fan theories, he/she had just pulled it out of his ass. But, I guess it really was something. It might take until the end of the season, or maybe into next season, but Negan might be in a sh*tload of trouble. I, for one, will be pleased. I don't get the Negan love from fans. I get the Jeffery Dean Morgan love AS Negan, but the character is a POS prick. He needs his face smashed in.
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Post by Mod City on Nov 23, 2016 19:45:36 GMT -5
And this week we got back to the Hilltop to check in on Maggie, Sasha and everybody's favorite, Jesus. In any other season, this would arguably be the most tense episode of the season, but compared to the first and previous episodes, this was actually light on tension. Still, there was plenty of that to go around. We're starting to see the rise of Maggie. She hasn't been tormented in quite the same way as Rick, but she seems more resilient than he does. And when she slugged Gregory (and finding Glenn's watch in his pocket - that's low, man), there were more than a few cheers heard round TWD fandom when she identified herself as "Maggie Rhee." I hope we see more of her like this. I know this is a slow process, but it's time we get a little more hope. It's needed. I've been thinking about the comparison between Rick's statement about Judith last week and Maggie calling herself by the last name "Rhee" this week. Rick said he knew Judith was not his child, but that she was his daughter nonetheless and that he would die for her. Rick had accepted a terrible truth (to him, anyway) in order to persevere for her and for the group. It's that acceptance of the unthinkable that has kept him alive, and the reason he falls in line for Negan (another unthinkable truth). Maggie refers to herself as "Maggie Rhee" for the first time. As far as we've seen, she and Glenn never had a formal wedding ceremony, but they clearly considered themselves married. Maybe they would eventually have had one if they felt the need, but Glenn's death (unthinkable truth), took him away and crushed any hopes for that. She has already accepted that truth, and like with Rick it's now driving her forward. But there's a big difference on how they draw on it. There's a big difference between the way they deliver the statements "Maggie. Maggie Rhee." and "She's my daughter." Rick's posture is completely defensive. But Maggie's posture is outright menacing. The reason for the difference is probably as simple as the fact that Glenn is dead and Judith is alive. But I liked these two leaders making very different statements about their view of their reality. Is Maggie Glenn's wife (now widow)? Is Judith Rick's daughter? The answer is yes for both. Why? Because Maggie and Rick say so. Powerful statements each in their own way. OK, probably overthinking, but whatever A few other thoughts: * If you watched Talking Dead, Kevin Smith brought up a theory I hadn't considered. Are Jesus and Gregory related? They both have blue eyes, and they talk in a manner that suggests there's a lot of history between them, even from before when the world changed. * Does the Hilltop have any guns or did Negan take those, too? I'm wondering now because the Kingdom clearly has guns and even had them out in the presence of the Saviors. Was taking Alexandria's guns just a specific case of "they have too many, we need to take them all" or something along those lines? * Carl and Enid. Sigh. I think Chandler Riggs has had some fantastic moments on this series, and I know the kid can act - I've seen it - but recently he hasn't been as good. The girl who plays Enid seems talented as well, but they don't really ever try to flesh her out as a character. Their rollerskating date (a bit of a stretch) and their kiss are both very sweet - and we needed some sweetness for a change - but I'm not sure the writers are hitting this one on the head. * Speaking of Carl, he and Jesus are on their way to Negan's compound. Carl may have run off on his own one too many times with this one, even with Jesus with him. If something finally happens to Carl that he can't recover from, will Rick's attitude toward the Saviors change? Like it did for Maggie when she lost Glenn? * And I have to admit, the use of Jesus' name in TWD dialogue can be funny. "Jesus, where have you been?" And, "I'm talking to Jesus." And it's all said completely straight. I do hope we get more of him kicking a little ass, also.
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Post by crowschmo on Nov 28, 2016 16:41:41 GMT -5
But...the guns.
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Post by crowschmo on Dec 5, 2016 18:59:51 GMT -5
That was a really crap episode. I don't know, folks. The Negan story line just isn't doing it for me. It might work in the comics (don't know from my own experience, as I haven't read them, but other people seem to think they're great). But this particular plot doesn't translate well on the TV series. At least not for me. Just can't buy Carl as a "bad ass". And Negan is annoying as hell. And if he does anything to Judith... There was a taped comment from Jeffery Dean Morgan on Talking Dead and he was saying something like there's YEARS of this Carl/Negan story. I was thinking, "NOOOoOOO!". God, I hope not. Kill this jerk, Rick. Please.
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Post by Mod City on Dec 5, 2016 19:15:39 GMT -5
I didn't think it was a bad episode, but I will agree - the Negan story is subjecting this series to a glacial pace of storytelling. I don't need multiple seasons of Negan, even though I think the portrayal is pretty good. Hopefully things amp up a bit in the mid-season finale.
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Post by crowschmo on Dec 6, 2016 14:54:19 GMT -5
Oh, yeah. Also: I missed something. How did Rick and Aaron know about that place they are investigating? I'll have to re-watch something.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Dec 6, 2016 18:16:00 GMT -5
There was a taped comment from Jeffery Dean Morgan on Talking Dead and he was saying something like there's YEARS of this Carl/Negan story. I was thinking, "NOOOoOOO!". God, I hope not. Kill this jerk, Rick. Please. No kidding. I keep watching but I keep wondering for how long. If Negan is a long haul plot thing I'm out.
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Post by crowschmo on Dec 12, 2016 20:10:43 GMT -5
Okay. The band's back together (except Carol and Morgan for the time being). Maybe when February rolls around we'll see some action. I want Rick to start taking out some Saviors and Negan to start rethinking his place in the universe.
Edit: I couldn't help laughing at the end, though, when everyone's looking at each other and smiling and nodding and the camera goes to each one. All I could think of was a scene from Johnny Dangerously when the camera keeps going back and forth to a group of characters who had a plan to rob a rival's casino and they're all winking and nodding at each other for like five minutes and then Peter Boyle says, "No more nodding!"
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Post by Mod City on Dec 13, 2016 13:46:48 GMT -5
After a brutal half-season, that was just what the doctor ordered for me. The Spencer and Negan exchange was intense and cost our resident dissident to be put down. And poor Olivia, she definitely didn't deserve that.
But what a great final 10 minutes. Michonne and Rick's heart to heart, and the group's arrival at Hilltop for a brief reunion, including a surprise appearance by Daryl and Jesus, were uplifting at a crucial time. The expression on Daryl's face when he is reunited with Rick? Damn. Reedus can say a whole lot with his face even when he's not talking.
And so help me, I applauded when Daryl handed Rick his Colt. I applauded again when Rick holstered it and the group began walking up the hill.
* I thought Maggie looked cute in a baseball cap, and then realized after reading online that it was the same (or similar) to the one Glenn wore back in the first two seasons. Cool.
* Jesus breaking Daryl out made perfect sense to me. The dude walked right into Alexandria and into Rick and Michonne's bedroom undetected once upon a time. The dude is stealthy as hell. He seems a little put off by Daryl bludgeoning Fat Joey to death, but I can understand why he did it even if I don't completely approve.
* While I'm still not entirely sure where Gabriel's head is at, I'm liking him more and more, and even trusting him. His talk with Rosita in the church was well-played.
* Enid smiled, like genuine, big-smiled! It's weird the effect something like that can have when you're so used to everyone looking so dour all the time.
* Negan can be shaken. His reaction to surviving Rosita's assassination attempt showed a guy who can be made unstable. I'm still amazed she managed to survive that, even if Olivia and Eugene paid the price for it.
* Now we just need Carol and Morgan. I'm anxious to see how they react when they're brought up to speed on everything that's happened.
Not that they ever lost me, but they brought my enthusiasm back with that episode. February is too far away.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Dec 13, 2016 16:17:16 GMT -5
Not that they ever lost me, but they brought my enthusiasm back with that episode. February is too far away. Well they almost lost me. This was a make or break episode. Hopefully things will break loose in the second half. And lately it occurred to me why I find Negan and his bunch such unenterprising villains. They're just bullies. Classic schoolyard bullies, taken to the extreme. More so than the Governor, the Terminites, the Claimers, the Wolves, they all had their bad guy agendas but they weren't just snotty bullies. Everything about their dialog is written about intimidation and humiliation. I know you're not supposed to like villains but they should be entertaining to watch and I don't find the Saviors to be. I'm afraid whatever happens they're not going to kill off Negan anytime soon. If the break up the Saviors I'm sure Negan will slip away to return for a later showdown, just like with the Governor.
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Post by Mod City on Dec 13, 2016 19:02:35 GMT -5
That's a good point. They even discussed it for a while on Talking Dead the previous week. You're right, they're not killing Negan any time soon from what I can tell, but it is satisfying to see bullies get their comeuppance. That, I have a feeling, we have a good chance of seeing in some form. At some point.
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Post by crowschmo on Dec 13, 2016 21:09:55 GMT -5
Oh, I just had to add: That look that Rick shot Carl when Negan told him how he hid in a truck and took down some of his men. Carl looked more nervous at that look from his father than of Negan (or it could've just been guilt, 'cause, well, Negan showed up in Alexandria after that and maybe he wasn't going to go there for a while if it hadn't been for Carl's actions). But that look just screamed, "You are SO GROUNDED!".
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Post by crowschmo on Dec 31, 2016 11:12:29 GMT -5
Something I don't get. I'm watching some of the eps during the marathon. That whole Michonne thing of cutting off Walkers' arms and jaws and tying them on leashes and just being safe among other Walkers. Doesn't make any sense WHATSOEVER. If you're in a herd and standing next to Walkers, they will come after you. If you have a couple on a leash they will leave you alone? I get the smell thing, like when one is wearing guts. But, just because you are behind a couple of dead dudes on a leash doesn't mean YOU are safe. I know, just a show.
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Post by crowschmo on Feb 14, 2017 19:52:27 GMT -5
So, how much food does The Kingdom have anyway to be able to feed a tiger? Still think Shiva looks a little fake. No tiger has to hiss and growl every two seconds. A little more majestic chillin' is in order to balance it out. Jesus: Oh, I forgot to tell you... Rick: He has a tiger. I wonder who came into view to make Rick grin at the end. (Or, maybe he was just thinking: Ah, we could use these people).
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Post by crowschmo on Feb 28, 2017 19:09:38 GMT -5
Sooo... Is Eugene REALLY Negan? Or is he going to blow the whole place to holy hell from the inside?
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