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Post by Skyroniter on Nov 6, 2012 7:38:03 GMT -5
Amazing episode. Felt more like a season finale than episode 4. T Dog and Lori both went out with dignity. No one is safe.
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Post by crowschmo on Nov 6, 2012 16:48:19 GMT -5
I forget Maggie's sister's name, but she and Carl keep smiling at each other. Looks like she's waiting for him to get a little older.
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Post by Mod City on Nov 13, 2012 18:51:11 GMT -5
Wow, last couple of episode have been intense! I can't believe Lori and T-Dog went down in the same episode. I had a soft spot for T-Dog, but I can't say I'm sorry to see Lori gone. Both great actors, though, and it's strange to think they're no longer with us.
I saw how a few reviewers thought Rick's reaction to Lori's death was over-the-top or overdone. I couldn't disagree more. The way he leans down to Karl as if to comfort him and just starts muttering "no, no, no" and breaks down was stunning. Andrew Lincoln deserves Emmy consideration for that alone. I also thought the way Maggie emerges with the baby in the courtyard while whispering/whimpering "help" was very moving.
Sunday's episode was also good. Kind of a reprieve from character deaths - which I think I needed after last week. And how great is Daryl? The guy is a real leader now and kicks a lot of ass. I don't know what I'll do if anything ever happens to that dude.
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Post by Frameous on Nov 13, 2012 20:16:30 GMT -5
What's going on with Carol? If she's dead, they've handled it with a heretofore unseen level of ineptitude. If she is alive, they are really jerking us around to an obscene degree.
She get's lost in the chaos and isn't mentioned again. Next thing you know, Glen is digging three graves. One for T Dog, one for Lori, and one for...Carol? Is she dead? Show us! And the episode ends with Daryl laying the flower on an unmarked grave. Carol's?!
I'm getting a little fed up. What's the point of pussyfooting around it? Or did I miss something major? I poked around online and I'm not the only one confused. Sure, it seems like she is dead. But if so, why is it being handled this way? Everyone else has gone out in grand fashion, highlighting the drama.
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Post by Mod City on Nov 13, 2012 20:53:01 GMT -5
I'm guessing we haven't seen the last of Carol. I seem to remember a scene, when she was getting ready to practice cutting a walker open, of her being watched from a distance outside the prison. I don't get the impression that this was that last prisoner they just killed. Maybe she ran into somebody? As for the group acting the way they are, things could be stranger. The combination of Lori dying while giving birth (with the baby surviving) and T-Dog dying, I'd put forward the group is in deep enough shock that that Carol, as sad as it seems, becomes an afterthought and they just accept she's dead. Still, they can't let that go on too long. Answers will be needed, preferably next week
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Post by Skyroniter on Nov 13, 2012 21:20:42 GMT -5
It would be interesting just to let Carol disappear for a bit. Come back somewhere down the line. I bet Michonne goes back for Andrea. And the baby doesn't last too long. Do they really have time to show her growing up?
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Post by crowschmo on Nov 15, 2012 11:41:40 GMT -5
'Kayy... Was there REALLY someone else on the other end of that phone, or is Rick just going super looney tunes? As for Carol, I'm guessing she's still alive, and they're just ASSUMING she's dead, because she was with T-Dog, and they SAW that he was dead. And the third grave IS for Carol, and of course Daryl is putting the flower on her grave because he misses her (it was the flower he picked when he hoped Sophia was still alive). I don't think they are mishandling it, when Rick asks about Carol and T-Dog, Daryl says sadly that THEY didn't make it, so it's not like she's never mentioned again, she has a grave just like the others. I'm guessing if she WAS dead, they would show something and not just forget about her, so she's probably still alive. We as viewers know it, but the group in the show doesn't know it. If they didn't have the actual bodies for the graves why did they DIG? Why not just put some grave markers? Did they drag what was LEFT of T-Dog and put that in? They didn't find Carol, and I know they didn't put Lori in as Rick later saw that she had been dragged away by a Walker that he went after. They said later on "Talking Dead" that the graves were empty. And it was really disturbing how Rick wanted to cut that bloated Walker open to see if it had indeed ingested part of Lori. Yikes. Then he just keeps stabbing it (it sounded like he was crying, "Not my wife" or something.) This show is the best one on TV right now, I think. You really get invested in the characters and what they are going through.
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Post by Mod City on Nov 19, 2012 20:31:46 GMT -5
Good episode last night. We got our answer to Carol, and it seemed to work pretty well. The parallel of Daryl carrying her out and Rick carrying the baby into the courtyard was a nice touch.
Merle is deadly and not to be trifled with. I knew this and was still somewhat shocked at how he took on Glenn and Maggie. Looks like The Governor doesn't exactly trust him, either. Next week looks brutal.
And Michonne really surprised me. Not quite sure how she knew where the prison would be (walk in the direction Glenn and Maggie came from?), but when she walked up with the formula, I suddenly admired the hell out of her.
Rick's conversation on the phone was downright creepy, but maybe he's backed away from nutso land for a little bit.
Did the girl "teaching" Andrea how to shoot a bow really kill her zombified father, or did she kill her living father for his bow? Something seemed wrong with that conversation.
Good stuff. Looking forward to next week.
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Post by Skyroniter on Nov 19, 2012 21:53:30 GMT -5
Michonne walking to the prison with the baby food was her attempt to show she's human and not be killed by those in Glenn and Maggie's camp. From hearing their conversation before Merle found them, she knew she stood a better chance of surviving by finding the camp. Now she's forced by her injuries to trust. She also confirmed her suspicion of how ruthless Merle is.
Rick was set free by his imaginary phone call from Lori. I think he will be a better leader from this point on. His future showdown with the Governor is going to be awesome. Same for Daryl and Merle. Carol being carried out by Daryl and the baby by Rick signify new strength within the group.
Best season yet by far.
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Post by Mod City on Nov 20, 2012 23:17:28 GMT -5
Good points all, Sky. And I agree, this season has been really, really good. On par with the best of the first season, and far and away better than last season, which I enjoyed.
Yeah, Michonne seems to know how to play her cards. Carrying that formula however far she limped pretending to be a zombie also was both a way to prove what she saw happen to Glenn and Maggie and to instantly provide something to the group - an attempt to gain their trust, if you will. Because, like you said, she needs help and also has to trust someone at this point, and she sure as hell isn't going back to Woodbury. It will be interesting to see her interaction with Andrea and Merle's old group.
And really, how the heck does a sword-wielding, dreadlocked chick end up as a badass solo killing machine during the zombie apocalypse? And in rural Georgia? I mean, who the heck is she? That's a backstory I hope we get someday.
I hope you're right about Rick getting his marbles somewhat in order after the "phonecalls," because the group needs him badly right now.
I also think there's a fair amount of hope represented in those "carrying-out" scenes. Everyone had written off Carol, and the baby being alive at this point is also quite a surprise. In both cases it's anybody's guess how long they'll stay that way, but with all the death it's good to see those two still hanging in there.
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Post by Satchmo on Nov 20, 2012 23:24:17 GMT -5
I was positive that they'd bring Carol back somehow, seeing as they wouldn't kill her off without tying up the storyline with her and Darryl. But I liked the way they handled it. I thought the whole phone-call-from-beyond-the-grave thing was kinda cheesy, but it's no deal-beaker. So far, this season's been great; I hope they keep the momentum going.
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Post by Skyroniter on Nov 26, 2012 21:16:29 GMT -5
Mid season finale sets up to be really good. What the heck does "mid season finale" really mean?
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Post by crowschmo on Nov 27, 2012 17:48:20 GMT -5
They divided the season in two. Next group of eps, besides the "finale" next week, start in mid-January. At least we don't have to wait so long.
I think Andrea needs to push that governor over the wall.
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Post by Frameous on Nov 27, 2012 20:41:38 GMT -5
They do the same with Breaking Bad. It allows them more time to produce while still getting episodes out to sate the public's clamoring for more (as has generally been the case with AMC's shows). They seem to be pioneering the idea, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more cable stations doing this. Just another way to break away from the network mold to maximize profits.
As far as the show goes, I love Merle when he's dangerous, but this conflict they seem to be heading to makes me worry about his future on the show. It feels like we just got him back and they want to take it away from us. His relationship with Daryl is by far the most interesting aspect of the show for me.
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Post by Mod City on Nov 28, 2012 20:17:56 GMT -5
I love how they're playing the idea that Rick's group is actually more bad-ass then they (or we) have previously realized. It started to really show with Glenn and Merle in the interrogation scene, and to a lesser extent with Maggie and the Governor. Like Glenn said, they've been on the road for months, honing their zombie and person-killing skills. The residents of Woodbury seem to be detached from all that. As far as I can see, anyway.
I'm excited for Sunday's episode, and I'll agree I'm worried about Merle. I'm worried about Daryl, too, but I can't believe the producers would off Daryl. They wouldn't, would they? No, of course not.
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