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Post by Mitchell on May 16, 2013 18:13:47 GMT -5
BLASPHEMY!
I know.
Over the years, because of others' enjoyment of it, I've grown to appreciate Manos. It's not one of my favorites and I've never really found it as funny as most of the other episodes. In fact, only the Coleman Francis episodes get more derision from me by being beloved where I just don't get it.
OK MSTies, tell me where I'm wrong.
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Post by Monophylos on May 16, 2013 21:40:17 GMT -5
It's like jazz man. If you have to ask, you'll never know...you can hit me for saying that, by the way, particularly because I'm not actually a fan of jazz.
It took me a long time to warm up to Manos but now it's a favorite. I don't know if it's possible to explain why exactly. A crucial point I think is that Manos represents, in some weird and inept way, a dream, a vision. Hal Warren really wanted to make that film work and, although it took me a while to get past my initial impression of boredom and tedium, you can tell from what's on screen that Warren was trying so damn hard. The overblown dialogue, the wannabe artsy shots, the twist ending--it's like a damn M. Night Shyamalan movie only on about a millionth the budget. I'm pretty sure I could actually watch Manos without riffing now and still be fascinated with thoughts about what the heck Warren thought he was trying to do. With the riffing, of course, it's even better.
The same is true in a different way of the Coleman Francis movies. What demons must have been haunting his brain! His films, too, represent some sort of vision (a dark, muddy one, of course) so they've become fascinating to me as well even though my first impression of Red Zone Cuba was that no film could possibly be less entertaining.
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Post by Mr. Atari on May 16, 2013 21:58:35 GMT -5
It shifted for me when I saw the Rifftrax version of Manos live in the theater. It was the first time I made it through the movie without quitting or being distracted. I laughed my head off at the event, then came home and re-watched the MST version. When it was all said and done, I had become adjusted to the film. I also decided that I preferred the MST riffing.
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Post by mummifiedstalin on May 16, 2013 22:52:39 GMT -5
It shifted for me when I saw the Rifftrax version of Manos live in the theater. It was the first time I made it through the movie without quitting or being distracted. I laughed my head off at the event, then came home and re-watched the MST version. When it was all said and done, I had become adjusted to the film. I also decided that I preferred the MST riffing. I had a similar reaction. I thought it was always the "classic" episode not so much for the riffing but for the film's awfulness. The movie is so ridiculous that a lot of the time, you're just laughing (or marveling) at the straightforward silliness and J&tB don't have to really say anything. But, honestly, not a lot of the riffs really extend the humor. Some exceptions might be the running gag about the dad's competence, but otherwise, most of the jokes are one-offs.
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Post by mrsphyllistorgo on May 17, 2013 12:43:16 GMT -5
It shifted for me when I saw the Rifftrax version of Manos live in the theater. It was the first time I made it through the movie without quitting or being distracted. I laughed my head off at the event, then came home and re-watched the MST version. When it was all said and done, I had become adjusted to the film. I also decided that I preferred the MST riffing. Now if Rifftrax would just hurry up and put it out on DVD! And Birdemic too!
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Post by Mod City on May 17, 2013 13:19:01 GMT -5
It's one I've liked since the first time I saw it. I had heard the hype, and while I didn't fall out of my chair laughing necessarily, I did find it amazing and jaw-droppingly amusing. Watched it with two other fans of the show who had also never seen it. Fun time. Remains one of my favorites.
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Post by Treadwell on May 17, 2013 23:03:58 GMT -5
It's not one of my faves either. The film isn't goofy-fun awful, it's just awful awful. And dreary. Nothing against the riffing, but it doesn't save the ep for me. I do like the host segments, but it might be partly because they're a break from the film.
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Post by Mike Flugennock on May 17, 2013 23:22:34 GMT -5
D'ahh, no biggie. I'm part of that huge hardcore who considers Manos to be the Gold Standard for MST3K, but to each their own.
I know there's a huge hardcore of my fellow MSTies who totally swear by The Final Sacrifice, but I just couldn't get into it.
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Post by Mike Flugennock on May 17, 2013 23:31:18 GMT -5
It's one I've liked since the first time I saw it. I had heard the hype, and while I didn't fall out of my chair laughing necessarily, I did find it amazing and jaw-droppingly amusing. Watched it with two other fans of the show who had also never seen it. Fun time. Remains one of my favorites. <AOL>Me, too!</AOL> Manos was an instant favorite for me from the moment J&tB entered the theater. It's full of those kind of riffs that made me laugh uncontrollably the first time I heard them, and which still make me laugh until I hurt on repeated viewings. Plan 9 From Outer Space set the bar for bad filmmaking, and Manos did the limbo under it. In fact, I consider Manos to be the Plan 9 of the '60s -- even inasmuch as the specific quantity of "Worst Movie EVAR" is an elusive one, as so many bad-movie buffs have their own standards.
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Post by Cubey on May 19, 2013 13:59:58 GMT -5
I loved Manos the first time I saw it. The riffs are top notch, Torgo is hilarious. It's win-win.
"Been hittin' the thigh master Torgo?" "When carnies flirt!" "DO SOMETHING!!! GAH!!!"
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Post by Skyroniter on May 19, 2013 15:36:02 GMT -5
Manos is a personal favorite.
I appreciate bad movies that are 100% sincere. There is no intentional camp in this turd. Its dull and dreary thanks to Hal P. Warren's total ineptitude. I anxiously look forward to completion of the Manos in HD project. Don't think any of us have ever seen really clean print as The Master intended.
The Rifftrax Live Show was a hoot.
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Post by brandonakaxerxes on Jun 16, 2013 13:14:57 GMT -5
For the record, Joel himself didn't think the "Manos" riffing was their best work, and even said he got bored and left the room when it was being screened at an MST3K event.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Jun 21, 2013 16:58:27 GMT -5
When it was all said and done, I had become adjusted to the film. Just goes to show once again that Phantom's Law is correct.
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Post by nondescript spice on Jun 21, 2013 17:33:53 GMT -5
i appreciate manos for being just so over-the-top bizarre, but it isn't a laugh riot. i definitely wouldn't show it to someone who has never seen an mst3k before.
actually, mitchell, i feel the same way about cave dwellers that you do about manos. everyone seems to love that one, but i just can't get into it.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Jun 21, 2013 17:36:22 GMT -5
actually, mitchell, i feel the same way about cave dwellers that you do about manos. everyone seems to love that one, but i just can't get into it. Testify sister.
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