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Post by cahvaydweller on Dec 26, 2013 17:28:35 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just oversensitive by nature, but does it seem that some of the riffs can be really harsh at times? My prime example is approximately the last third of ROCKET ATTACK U.S.A.
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Post by mrmeadows on Dec 27, 2013 17:01:13 GMT -5
Do you mean riffs that are too harsh on the movie itself, or harsh on the person or thing being referenced in the riff? (E.g. the "Awww...Ricky! It turns out I was never really funny!" line Crow makes about Lucille Ball in one episode.)
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Post by cahvaydweller on Dec 27, 2013 19:06:18 GMT -5
Do you mean riffs that are too harsh on the movie itself, or harsh on the person or thing being referenced in the riff? (E.g. the "Awww...Ricky! It turns out I was never really funny!" line Crow makes about Lucille Ball in one episode.) I'm referring mainly to when they say rude things just for the sake of saying rude things. To get back to ROCKET ATTACK, a lady picks up her baby and one of them says in a baby voice "Ow, you just snapped my neck!"
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Post by Mike Flugennock on Dec 27, 2013 20:00:33 GMT -5
Well, they really savaged General Hospital -- and I think it was some of the best riffing they ever did. They ripped GH a new one, and I loved every minute of it.
Then, of course, is the way they kick little Bobby's ass up one side and down the other in Manhunt In Space and Crash Of The Moons. God, that was delicious. What a snotty, annoying little brat.
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Post by brandonakaxerxes on Feb 3, 2014 13:02:02 GMT -5
Not a riff, but the "suggestion box" host segment from "Invasion of the Neptune Men" was positively DUMB. And, while Mike *does* point out how absurd it is for Crow to "suggest" that Japan stop making movies just because he had to sit through a REALLY bad Japanese movie (which, even I'll admit "Neptune Men" is one of the WORST films they ever did), it still seems pretty clear that The Brains were trying to vent off some steam. But, man did they realize how illogical that was? They may as well have had Crow suggest to AMERICA to stop making movies.
But if you want a riff, I'll pick Crow's "I'm not gonna forget what the japanese did to us with this movie!" Again, a lame Take That against Japan. The stupid part is, this riff is from PRINCE OF SPACE, which, unlike "Neptune Men", I think is one of the more watchable films they did (sure the film is still terrible, but it's just goofy enough that I personally find it quite enjoyable).
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Post by Mike Flugennock on Feb 3, 2014 18:35:24 GMT -5
...But if you want a riff, I'll pick Crow's "I'm not gonna forget what the japanese did to us with this movie!" Again, a lame Take That against Japan. The stupid part is, this riff is from PRINCE OF SPACE, which, unlike "Neptune Men", I think is one of the more watchable films they did (sure the film is still terrible, but it's just goofy enough that I personally find it quite enjoyable). It took a while for Prince Of Space to grow on me, although the Chicken Phantom Of Krankor's laugh and the recurring "We like it very much!" riff finally sold it for me. Neptune Men, on the other hand, was an instant favorite for me, precisely because it was so deep-down bad, especially that bit with the Hitler Building. But then, I guess I'm weird that way.
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Post by Monophylos on Feb 3, 2014 19:26:01 GMT -5
Invasion of the Neptune Men does get a lot of flak, it seems, for its nasty riffing. But, man, just consider at what point in the movie they're making all those remarks. It's all in the last half-hour of the movie when there's no dialogue, no plot, nothing but stock footage of buildings blowing up and missiles being aimed and the same few shots of badly animated spaceships flying around and exchanging deadly negative scratches. Sometimes the only response to a film like that is anger.
I'll say the same about Final Justice, another film whose MST3K treatment gets criticized for being too mean in comparison to Mitchell. At least Mitchell seemed to realize that the bloated, boozing Joe Don Baker character wasn't really admirable. Final Justice, though, portrays him unhesitatingly as a vigilante hero. Watching it, I would have been furious too.
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Post by angilasman on Feb 3, 2014 22:31:28 GMT -5
Putting "maybe if I kill myself like Hemingway people will remember me fondly" into Alan Hale Jr.'s mouth seemed far too mean.
Out of the blue, unjustified nastiness.
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Post by Monophylos on Feb 3, 2014 22:43:12 GMT -5
"Putting 'maybe if I kill myself like Hemingway people will remember me fondly' into Alan Hale Jr.'s mouth seemed far too mean."
Not if you were forced to read "The Old Man and the Sea" in school, it doesn't!
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Post by Mike Flugennock on Feb 4, 2014 21:48:06 GMT -5
Do you mean riffs that are too harsh on the movie itself, or harsh on the person or thing being referenced in the riff? (E.g. the "Awww...Ricky! It turns out I was never really funny!" line Crow makes about Lucille Ball in one episode.) Maybe that's just a pithy statement of opinion by the writers; I sure didn't have any problem with it. They show no mercy to other one-joke and gimmick comics like Gallagher, Gilbert Gottfried and Carrot Top as well. ...and, just between you and me, I never really thought Lucille Ball was all that funny, either. She was barely tolerable on I Love Lucy because she was still young, but those shows she did in the early/mid '60s made me want to knee her in the groin, and snag on her, and give her a power sit-up. I was still a really young kid in those days, but even back then I thought Phyllis Diller could eat Lucille Ball's lunch.
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Post by Monophylos on Feb 4, 2014 23:11:51 GMT -5
...and, just between you and me, I never really thought Lucille Ball was all that funny, either. She was barely tolerable on I Love Lucy because she was still young... Aw, man, it's a bit painful for me to admit this because I couldn't get enough of "I Love Lucy" when I was a kid, but you're right. A few years ago I returned to "I Love Lucy" and watched a whole bunch of episodes of it and, I've got to tell you, I began to develop a real dislike of the Lucy character. I only watched a bit of Lucille Ball's later shows and it was just all the same stuff, wasn't it?
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Post by Mike Flugennock on Feb 6, 2014 19:06:54 GMT -5
"Putting 'maybe if I kill myself like Hemingway people will remember me fondly' into Alan Hale Jr.'s mouth seemed far too mean." Not if you were forced to read "The Old Man and the Sea" in school, it doesn't! Hey, lay off my man Hemingway. I read that in high school, too -- along with The Sun Also Rises -- and thought it was awesome. I haven't seen the film that was made of it, though. OK, it didn't exactly end upbeat, but it could've been worse. Granted, the guy loses his big catch in bits and pieces on the way home, so it's a huge failure in terms of the reason he went out there, but on the upside, he survived the trip home -- kind of the Apollo 13 of "fish stories".
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Post by cahvaydweller on Feb 7, 2014 19:17:42 GMT -5
"Putting 'maybe if I kill myself like Hemingway people will remember me fondly' into Alan Hale Jr.'s mouth seemed far too mean." Not if you were forced to read "The Old Man and the Sea" in school, it doesn't! Hey, lay off my man Hemingway. I read that in high school, too -- along with The Sun Also Rises -- and thought it was awesome. I haven't seen the film that was made of it, though. OK, it didn't exactly end upbeat, but it could've been worse. Granted, the guy loses his big catch in bits and pieces on the way home, so it's a huge failure in terms of the reason he went out there, but on the upside, he survived the trip home -- kind of the Apollo 13 of "fish stories". Yeah, I agree with Mike; this was a very random and open-ended statement about Hemingway and I think a lot of us would appreciate an explanation. I would message you but I'm not sure if ProBoards has that option.
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Post by Monophylos on Feb 9, 2014 11:23:37 GMT -5
Well, let's put it this way. You remember that old, old "Simpsons" episode where Martin Prince does a book review of "The Old Man and the Sea", wearing a fake beard like Hemingway's and spouting macho cliches? That to me is basically the story of "The Old Man and the Sea" right there, only that unlike Martin's thankfully abbreviated presentation it goes on for longer. Much, much longer.
Also I share Hemingway's given name, though thank heaven I wasn't named after him; hence I have a certain irrational animus. I try to tell people I was named after Ernest Rutherford but nobody knows who that is any more.
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Post by Monophylos on Feb 9, 2014 11:24:48 GMT -5
(oops, accidental double post.)
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