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Post by monkeypretzel on Oct 15, 2021 18:49:33 GMT -5
My opinion on today's update regarding the IATSE:
It's a little disingenuous to claim how much you support a union, and their requests for fair working conditions and a raise in pay, while at the same time using non-union labor to make your show. I hope the wages being paid those non-union skilled workers match the wages that a new IATSE agreement would guarantee, or at the very least the existing union minimums.
Regarding MajorJoe's post above, today's update specified that the LA production part of Season 13 is ALSO non-union - which surprised me.
Quote: We’re a fully non-union shoot, and have no IATSE crew – which means no one involved would be affected by a strike. In addition, our shooting locations on both coasts are not on union backlots, or in facilities that are likely to have picket lines, which means our cast (who are members of SAG-AFTRA and would not want to cross picket lines) won’t be affected either.
Update: Maybe I read that wrong, it doesn't specify that the LABOR in LA is non-union, just that the locations and facilities are not. But it doesn't say that they LA crew IS union, either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 19:01:10 GMT -5
Maybe a union crew will be a stretch goal for the season 14 Kickstarter.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Oct 15, 2021 19:52:26 GMT -5
My opinion on today's update regarding the IATSE: It's a little disingenuous to claim how much you support a union, and their requests for fair working conditions and a raise in pay, while at the same time using non-union labor to make your show. I hope the wages being paid those non-union skilled workers match the wages that a new IATSE agreement would guarantee, or at the very least the existing union minimums. Regarding MajorJoe's post above, today's update specified that the LA production part of Season 13 is ALSO non-union - which surprised me. Quote: We’re a fully non-union shoot, and have no IATSE crew – which means no one involved would be affected by a strike. In addition, our shooting locations on both coasts are not on union backlots, or in facilities that are likely to have picket lines, which means our cast (who are members of SAG-AFTRA and would not want to cross picket lines) won’t be affected either.Update: Maybe I read that wrong, it doesn't specify that the LABOR in LA is non-union, just that the locations and facilities are not. But it doesn't say that they LA crew IS union, either. What is the appropriate thing to do if there aren't any union members in the area? Are you morally obligated to move?
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Post by kracker on Oct 15, 2021 22:15:39 GMT -5
Well, if they just aren't a very big production at all that doesn't require many hands, with a close family of crew, does it really matter? if Beez is union?
I guess Lindsey yesterday was unsure if any of the crew or shoots were union and had to check to make sure but she sure made it seem like there was some potential conflict.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Oct 15, 2021 22:19:55 GMT -5
My opinion on today's update regarding the IATSE: It's a little disingenuous to claim how much you support a union, and their requests for fair working conditions and a raise in pay, while at the same time using non-union labor to make your show. I hope the wages being paid those non-union skilled workers match the wages that a new IATSE agreement would guarantee, or at the very least the existing union minimums. Regarding MajorJoe's post above, today's update specified that the LA production part of Season 13 is ALSO non-union - which surprised me. Quote: We’re a fully non-union shoot, and have no IATSE crew – which means no one involved would be affected by a strike. In addition, our shooting locations on both coasts are not on union backlots, or in facilities that are likely to have picket lines, which means our cast (who are members of SAG-AFTRA and would not want to cross picket lines) won’t be affected either.Update: Maybe I read that wrong, it doesn't specify that the LABOR in LA is non-union, just that the locations and facilities are not. But it doesn't say that they LA crew IS union, either. What is the appropriate thing to do if there aren't any union members in the area? Are you morally obligated to move?Don't strawman with a made-up scenario that doesn't apply to this situation. There are most certainly union members in LA; there are also union members in Philadelphia, IATSE Local 8. I understand not using union labor in order to save money. But since Ivan has assured us in the Update comments that the non-union labor is being paid at or above union rates, then the question remains why NOT hire union? The only reason I can think of right now is that you can use fewer crew, because there aren't strict rules about how many people have to work on the shoot, and who can do what. Like someone said earlier in this discussion, union rules mean only a certain person can move that chair on set; non union? Anyone can move it.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Oct 16, 2021 0:06:02 GMT -5
In a forum full of straw man arguments, it’s funny that this is that straw man that broke the camel’s back.
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Post by Mighty Jack on Oct 16, 2021 1:59:16 GMT -5
Ivan responded to that question on the update..
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Post by Diet Kolos on Oct 16, 2021 6:14:23 GMT -5
In a forum full of straw man arguments, it’s funny that this is that straw man that broke the camel’s back. Yeah. I don't get the hype on this one. This is a big so-what from me. Union, non-union...who cares, ultimately if it all costs the same.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Oct 17, 2021 14:30:59 GMT -5
According to what I've read online. The strike was settled on the west coast and is expected to be settled on the east coast by Monday morning.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Oct 17, 2021 17:41:26 GMT -5
The strike will not happen tomorrow, because a tentative agreement was reached, and that means union members will continue to work. But the agreement needs to be formalized and submitted to the membership for a vote, and as of right now, news outlets are reporting that IATSE members are expressing dissatisfaction with what they know about the agreement, and may vote no. But no strike for the foreseeable future, since it will take "several weeks" to draw up a formal agreement, according to Variety. variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-deal-backlash-nothing-changed-1235091286/
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Post by BoB3K on Oct 18, 2021 11:44:15 GMT -5
So, no news on the Gizmoplex. I'm thinking it's pretty certain we won't hear anything before turkey day. what is the most recent date given? did they ever give a date? I notice pretty much all the KS rewards say June 2022, even the all digital ones, so they gave themselves ample buffer room there.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Oct 18, 2021 14:27:24 GMT -5
I found out today that the MST3K Season 13 production is only non-union for the craft workers, the IATSE. The production is registered with SAG-AFTRA as a union production, #00516898, under the New Media Special Agreement. So the SAG-AFTRA actors get full union wages and benefits.
It's not strictly a lie to tell the backers in the last update that they are "a fully non-union shoot", but it's not strictly true, either, and they didn't specify that "non-union" ONLY applied to IATSE. It's one of those partial truths that have infuriated me in both this Kickstarter and the last one, and that I get called a hater for pointed out when I find them. But this is why I cannot trust what is said in those updates at face value.
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Post by dudehitscar on Oct 18, 2021 14:39:54 GMT -5
I found out today that the MST3K Season 13 production is only non-union for the craft workers, the IATSE. The production is registered with SAG-AFTRA as a union production, #00516898, under the New Media Special Agreement. So the SAG-AFTRA actors get full union wages and benefits. It's not strictly a lie to tell the backers in the last update that they are "a fully non-union shoot", but it's not strictly true, either, and they didn't specify that "non-union" ONLY applied to IATSE. It's one of those partial truths that have infuriated me in both this Kickstarter and the last one, and that I get called a hater for pointed out when I find them. But this is why I cannot trust what is said in those updates at face value. "There are several reasons for that. We’re a fully non-union shoot, and have no IATSE crew – which means no one involved would be affected by a strike. In addition, our shooting locations on both coasts are not on union backlots, or in facilities that are likely to have picket lines, which means our cast ( who are members of SAG-AFTRA and would not want to cross picket lines) won’t be affected either. And – most important – our production already adheres to all of the terms that IATSE is pushing for, and are abiding by all of the labor adjustments they are hoping to negotiate in their new contract." Context for others around here: This is exactly what was said about it. They mentioned the cast were SAG members but used the words 'fully non-union shoot' in reference to the crew.
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Post by dudehitscar on Oct 18, 2021 14:49:24 GMT -5
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Post by monkeypretzel on Oct 18, 2021 15:21:49 GMT -5
So, no news on the Gizmoplex. I'm thinking it's pretty certain we won't hear anything before turkey day. what is the most recent date given? did they ever give a date? I notice pretty much all the KS rewards say June 2022, even the all digital ones, so they gave themselves ample buffer room there.The last official word I can find is in the KS Update from July 30th, the one about the apps being limited in what they will be able to do. I've been looking on the new MST3K forums, and I can't find anything official after that other than Ivan responding on Sept. 8th about commercials for merchandise and such being in the Gizmoplex. The only thing I can about a launch date going back through the updates is from Update 12 on April 30th. It's where Joel talks about remote production, and why they are doing it that way: Even if we could shoot late this year, we'd have to hold for our live tour. If COVID does become more manageable, our live tour has already been contracted to go back on the road in October or November of this year... so if we don't start working on new episodes as soon as this Kickstarter ends, and start shooting this fall, we won't be able to even get started until next spring. That means we wouldn't have new episodes until next summer, at the earliest, and a lot of you have been pretty clear that you'd like them sooner than that.That sure makes it sound like the first episode was supposed to premiere well before next summer.
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