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Post by monkeypretzel on May 9, 2022 14:55:27 GMT -5
So MST3K is good because it's young people, and RiffTrax and The Mads are bad because it's old people. Thanks for stating it so bluntly.
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Post by majorjoe23 on May 9, 2022 15:43:20 GMT -5
Also: I know this is antiquated, but, are there going to be DVD's available or is it all just for downloading? (I guess I could download it and burn it). Yes. They've had DVD/blu ray sets available as Kickstarter rewards, and they'll do a version for the general public because it's Shout Factory and physical media is still a big part of their business plan.
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Post by intonyeon on May 9, 2022 19:26:48 GMT -5
So MST3K is good because it's young people, and RiffTrax and The Mads are bad because it's old people. Thanks for stating it so bluntly. I definitely think that Emily and her gang bring an energy that the others don’t lol
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Post by dudehitscar on May 10, 2022 10:20:18 GMT -5
So MST3K is good because it's young people, and RiffTrax and The Mads are bad because it's old people. Thanks for stating it so bluntly. also bill is evil and B, K, and M have done nothing but run a money laundering scheme with rifftrax for over a decade. I don't know if age is a factor in those other complaints they have. lol
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Post by intonyeon on May 10, 2022 11:24:28 GMT -5
Evidence speaks for itself buddy
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Post by dudehitscar on May 10, 2022 11:55:56 GMT -5
Evidence speaks for itself buddy what does krankor have to do with anything!? haha
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Post by demoniclambertobava on May 10, 2022 22:00:33 GMT -5
So MST3K is good because it's young people, and RiffTrax and The Mads are bad because it's old people. Thanks for stating it so bluntly. I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally don't agree with that at all. I enjoy a lot of RT. I haven't watched The Mads yet, though I adore Trace's work. What I take exception to in this discussion is the idea that MST can't move forward to replenish itself for future generations, and that if it does that that it's some sort of betrayal. I think it's a proud institution, like Star Trek or Sesame Street or Doctor Who. And that does require a mix of both old and new blood, which it has in spades. The guard changes naturally and organically with time and tide while retaining people and elements of the past, and I think that's right. It's fine if people don't like the new iteration, but I don't think it's intellectually honest, for example, to act like there's anything different or new about the current MST cutting films for a uniform length when the classic gang did it for the entire original run. It's not some unacceptable problem now or lazy just because it's not the same guys. That to me is fitting the facts to match a thesis that isn't based in honesty. And I can still love Trace and Frank and regret the rift with the show and still enjoy the new show, or RiffTrax and Mike and Kevin and Bill. I don't have to choose, and I won't.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on May 10, 2022 22:06:22 GMT -5
(I also think it was a bad idea to do blockbuster movie riffs but that’s an opinioooooon) This I do agree with. RT picking the last embers of Twilight, etc. embarrassed me. Everyone in the world had already had a turn at those big-budget flops, and it's just not the movie zone where these folks do their best work. If this was a crew taking them on 20-30 years later it'd be another story. Same with Birdemic - it's like shooting fish in a barrel, everyone knows it, everybody's joked, it's tired. It's the same reason I don't attend the current MST rewatches of Manos or Space Mutiny, and didn't bother with RT redoing them.
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Post by monkeypretzel on May 11, 2022 10:18:51 GMT -5
Twilight was released in theaters November 21, 2008. The DVD was released March 21, 2009. The RiffTrax .mp3 riff of Twilight was released April 21, 2009.
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Post by dudehitscar on May 11, 2022 10:38:30 GMT -5
(I also think it was a bad idea to do blockbuster movie riffs but that’s an opinioooooon) This I do agree with. RT picking the last embers of Twilight, etc. embarrassed me. Everyone in the world had already had a turn at those big-budget flops, and it's just not the movie zone where these folks do their best work. If this was a crew taking them on 20-30 years later it'd be another story. Same with Birdemic - it's like shooting fish in a barrel, everyone knows it, everybody's joked, it's tired. It's the same reason I don't attend the current MST rewatches of Manos or Space Mutiny, and didn't bother with RT redoing them. I'm generally not into Rifftrax doing hollywood blockbusters.. but that first Twilight riff was awesome. I love Birdemic too and think it's one of the best live shows they have done. I wouldn't have seen Birdemic if it weren't for rifftrax. I agree about the reriffs of old MST3K episodes.. I skip those. Rifftrax definitely leans too hard on reriffs for their live shows IMO. But the audiences seem to love it.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on May 11, 2022 11:13:21 GMT -5
Twilight was released in theaters November 21, 2008. The DVD was released March 21, 2009. The RiffTrax .mp3 riff of Twilight was released April 21, 2009. Yeah, and in that short span of time it had already been roasted to the moon and back by pop culture at large. That's the digital world we live in now. I didn't love it when MST did Mac & Me long after the Internet had picked its bones clean, I didn't love it on Twilight either. My point stands.
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Post by demoniclambertobava on May 11, 2022 11:17:35 GMT -5
I agree about the reriffs of old MST3K episodes.. I skip those. Rifftrax definitely leans too hard on reriffs for their live shows IMO. But the audiences seem to love it. RT re-riffing MST classics or well-trod bad movie bait is the same principle behind why MST today plays the hits with the live re-riffs or rewatches of Manos and Space Mutiny. We talked about this not long ago - as we said and just did as well, there's always gonna be a massive audience for the franchise(s) playing the greatest hits or leaning into obvious well-worn targets. It does numbers and makes them both money. I can't fault them for it, but I personally don't have any interest in either case. And I don't think there's any need for a team that has already riffed a movie once, or been in the writers' room on it, to do it again.
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Post by floatinginspace82 on May 11, 2022 13:17:46 GMT -5
wow a lot of back and forth again I see, I throw my 2 cents into the cup as a 30+year old fan of MST3K.
1. MST3K at its peak in about 91-94 was great, great riffs, great movie selections great inventions/host segments, this NUMST3K to me is its own alternate universe that honestly imo isn't great I backed The Return and I didn't feel like my investment was worth the final product, that being said you can not and will not capture the originals lightning in a bottle/lightning doesn't strike twice etc etc.
2.Rifftrax 10 years ago was great MKB were still more or less writing the riffs and the movie selections were pretty good, I bought most if not all of those earlier vods cause I am a MKB fan and this movie riffing iteration was great, I would have Rifftrax movie nights with friends and we'd have a good time. Now, sadly I barely know what is coming out from them and when I go to check it out I don't really feel like they have it anymore and are just continuing because of the monetary aspect of it.
3.This editing down to fit a certain time constraint is whatever imo. Rifftrax edited out 30 mins off one of their vods and I was left scratching my head why.. until I found out why, The full movie is dull and muddled and there are a few spicy scenes from it, so all in all it was like 75 mins and felt underwhelming and flat. If NUMST3K is doing an assembly line it makes sense they are packaging these movies for time/content. But as was mention if they cut out too much or cut things that were funny or very riffable and its on the editing room floor then it won't be great and just boring or as unforgettable as the Return was for me.
I do wish Joel and his "vision" luck but as for me I won't be participating in it save a friend of mine inviting me to watch it at their place.
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Post by dudehitscar on May 11, 2022 13:43:13 GMT -5
Yeah, Chris Gersbeck has said he edits The Mads movies down to about an hour. Rifftrax edits most of its movies to 75-80 minutes. What the revived MST3K is doing isn’t new or unique to movie riffing. Trace and Frank are lazy sods too? say it ain't so.
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Post by Mighty Jack on May 11, 2022 14:13:34 GMT -5
Oh heck, I loved the Twilight series, that was fun times, and funny that myself and others here would get sooo excited about a new Twilight Rifftrax release, "It's Twilight day!" That takes me back to when I was still having a blast with 'Trax and the forum had more activity and discussion about those, and we'd laugh about "line" (which closed with grandest "line" of all in the last movie)
The Happening is another - I remember going to a Cinematic Titanic show with a couple of other MSTies from the forum, and they wanted to see the Happening, so I brought along my authored disc so we could watch it before the CT show, and that was such fun. We laughed our heads off. I liked the early blockbuster, just the jokes era of Rifftrax, and they had some of the VODs too, like the original Missile to the Moon (with Fred and Mike), and The Boy in the Plastic Bubble. They eventually transitioned over to more of those, with some real goodies, Buffalo Rider and Ghost House.
As long as I was having a good time, I didn't care what they chose to riff on.
Then it started to falter, they were releasing more misses than hits, and we were seeing more of the grade Z home movie style stuff, which wasn't making me laugh as much.
Which meant I wasn't buying as much, so it's a crap shoot, but on occasion they still offer up a killer riff (Dancin' It's On)
Bridget and Mary Jo I adore, those are day of release buys for me.
The Mads I enjoy, always purchase a ticket.
NuMSTie isn't classic MST, they've yet to release anything that cracked my Top 10, but they've had their highs (Cry Wilderness, Avalanche), episodes that make me howl with laughter (they just offered up one like that with Emily as host).
I'm still here. I'm still talking and writing about these things all these years later.
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