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Post by intonyeon on Dec 31, 2023 20:00:37 GMT -5
You ok dude
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Post by RedTom on Dec 31, 2023 20:33:02 GMT -5
I'll be fine
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Post by slainmonkey on Jan 1, 2024 14:15:09 GMT -5
I wanna say that for the record, I don’t wanna be too harsh on Kelsey Ann Brady, but as Crow she was a very jarring miscast. However it all just part of Season 13’s very baffling creative decisions. Honesty the multiple host angle actually would have been far more interesting if they all hosted with different robots with different designs. It all kinda naff if I’m to be perfectly honest.
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Post by RedTom on Jan 1, 2024 18:03:57 GMT -5
They literally had episodes of them switching between hosts in the middle of the episode JUST to make sure that EVERYONE was included as much as possible. It didn't matter that it killed the actual show. EVEN WHEN Quest of the Delta Knights and Last of the Wild Horses did it, it was still a little jarring because, especially in the case of Trace and Frank, I wanted those riffers to continue. That was my preference, of course, but now we have this season doing it MULTIPLE TIMES in episodes? No, I'm not on board with it.
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Post by kracker on Jan 4, 2024 1:15:14 GMT -5
I still say they pressured Nate out. That was FAR too sudden and obtuse an exit to be as heartwarmingly genuine as they seem to want us to think, but that is for later. Right now, yeah, I'm going to say it, I feel outright betrayed. Yes i thought that scenario through but that doesn't make any sense, there was no sign of any contention with Nate and them wanting to jettison Nate goes along the lines of breaking one of their own legs, or as you put it, shooting themselves in the foot for basically no reason; they were on a tight deadline. You'd need a damn good reason why. I mean, i came to the same hypothesis but it would be the job that pressured him rather than the personnel. I wanna say that for the record, I don’t wanna be too harsh on Kelsey Ann Brady, but as Crow she was a very jarring miscast. However it all just part of Season 13’s very baffling creative decisions. Honesty the multiple host angle actually would have been far more interesting if they all hosted with different robots with different designs. It all kinda naff if I’m to be perfectly honest. To put it as simply as possible: She was just too green. It was an unnecessary risk the show made that didn't pay off well. Given the time, her performance would have turned out much better. Also admittedly, as a new robot character.
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Post by slainmonkey on Jan 4, 2024 6:55:30 GMT -5
I wanna say that for the record, I don’t wanna be too harsh on Kelsey Ann Brady, but as Crow she was a very jarring miscast. However it all just part of Season 13’s very baffling creative decisions. Honesty the multiple host angle actually would have been far more interesting if they all hosted with different robots with different designs. It all kinda naff if I’m to be perfectly honest. To put it as simply as possible: She was just too green. It was an unnecessary risk the show made that didn't pay off well. Given the time, her performance would have turned out much better. Also admittedly, as a new robot character. That’s fair, but I feel very much that Kelsey tries too hard to do a whacky cartoon voice the whole time, to the point her delivery never feels natural. While I can’t speak very much for how Nate was as Crow; but it really doesn’t help that when Trace left, he was followed by Bill, and Hampton who both slipped into the role so seamlessly. It makes her performance as Crow feel like a difficult pill to swallow, if she had a new character to work with, maybe it’d be a role she could have better made her own.
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Post by kracker on Jan 4, 2024 12:18:36 GMT -5
To put it as simply as possible: She was just too green. It was an unnecessary risk the show made that didn't pay off well. Given the time, her performance would have turned out much better. Also admittedly, as a new robot character. That’s fair, but I feel very much that Kelsey tries too hard to do a whacky cartoon voice the whole time, to the point her delivery never feels natural. While I can’t speak very much for how Nate was as Crow; but it really does help that when Trace left, he was followed by Bill, and Hampton who both slipped into the role so seamlessly. It makes her performance as Crow feel like a difficult pill to swallow, if she had a new character to work with, maybe it’d be a role she could have better made her own. ugh yeah I forgot to mention this: the miscast was out of anyone's control anyway. Because of Nate's sudden unplanned departure, there was no way they could have made a new robot character because they couldn't do the reshoot with it on the schedule they had. Remember they had her overdub Nate's work so she was actually stuck with Crow. They just shouldn't have done the multiple hosts with new talent until the new format had the kind of stability to sustain having things go wrong as they were bound to do during that production. Everything you said was true but just missing the angle that really it was out of their control. I remember hearing Nate's voice during the livestreams and he really sounded like Crow in his natural voice, probably would have done a better job than Hampton. Quite frankly, I didn't see a need for having new voice actors, just have Hampton and Baron voice Emilys bots. And now that I think about maybe there was something they could have done: just had Hampton fill in and overdub Nate's work. Assuming it was possible, maybe Hampton actually couldn't physically be at both productions. But if so, I don't think anyone would have minded.
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Post by slainmonkey on Jan 4, 2024 15:05:37 GMT -5
ugh yeah I forgot to mention this: the miscast was out of anyone's control anyway. Because of Nate's sudden unplanned departure, there was no way they could have made a new robot character because they couldn't do the reshoot with it on the schedule they had. Remember they had her overdub Nate's work so she was actually stuck with Crow. They just shouldn't have done the multiple hosts with new talent until the new format had the kind of stability to sustain having things go wrong as they were bound to do during that production. Everything you said was true but just missing the angle that really it was out of their control. I remember hearing Nate's voice during the livestreams and he really sounded like Crow in his natural voice, probably would have done a better job than Hampton. Quite frankly, I didn't see a need for having new voice actors, just have Hampton and Baron voice Emilys bots. And now that I think about maybe there was something they could have done: just had Hampton fill in and overdub Nate's work. Assuming it was possible, maybe Hampton actually couldn't physically be at both productions. But if so, I don't think anyone would have minded. I’m aware that the Nate thing couldn’t be avoided, it’s another reason I don’t feel comfortable being too hard on Kelsey, but it does further go into why I feel season 13 more than any other feels like such a compromised product. I also don’t like being such a downer on season 13 (there were a few episodes I liked), but given that this is very possibly the swan song for MST3k, it’s kinda a sour note to go out on.
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Post by kracker on Jan 5, 2024 11:27:32 GMT -5
ugh yeah I forgot to mention this: the miscast was out of anyone's control anyway. Because of Nate's sudden unplanned departure, there was no way they could have made a new robot character because they couldn't do the reshoot with it on the schedule they had. Remember they had her overdub Nate's work so she was actually stuck with Crow. They just shouldn't have done the multiple hosts with new talent until the new format had the kind of stability to sustain having things go wrong as they were bound to do during that production. Everything you said was true but just missing the angle that really it was out of their control. I remember hearing Nate's voice during the livestreams and he really sounded like Crow in his natural voice, probably would have done a better job than Hampton. Quite frankly, I didn't see a need for having new voice actors, just have Hampton and Baron voice Emilys bots. And now that I think about maybe there was something they could have done: just had Hampton fill in and overdub Nate's work. Assuming it was possible, maybe Hampton actually couldn't physically be at both productions. But if so, I don't think anyone would have minded. I’m aware that the Nate thing couldn’t be avoided, it’s another reason I don’t feel comfortable being too hard on Kelsey, but it does further go into why I feel season 13 more than any other feels like such a compromised product. I also don’t like being such a downer on season 13 (there were a few episodes I liked), but given that this is very possibly the swan song for MST3k, it’s kinda a sour note to go out on. Eh the Netflix cancellation was already a sour note. Dismal one at that. And with the Gizmoplex I'm glad that "hey we tried". yeah it didn't work out but there's still an opportunity to course correct and find a better way if they are actually aware of why things didn't work out. I feel that gets lost among all the "I didn't get my snowglobe fast enough so now I hate the show forever" and other superficial complaints. The whole let's have the fans be the TV show producer essentially was an ambitious idea that has never been done before. The fact that it didn't work isn't this horrible disaster that caused so much irreparable damage. Certain people "should really just relax" The only thing that bothers me is that they had only chance to riff certain movies like The Mask or The Bubble and they didn't make it count. Movies like Demon Squad were acceptable losses because those movies were just bad for riffing, i'd be happy having the learning mistakes being made with movies like those. But you cant fumble with Battle Beyond the Stars.
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Post by slainmonkey on Jan 5, 2024 13:58:27 GMT -5
Eh the Netflix cancellation was already a sour note. Dismal one at that. And with the Gizmoplex I'm glad that "hey we tried". yeah it didn't work out but there's still an opportunity to course correct and find a better way if they are actually aware of why things didn't work out. I feel that gets lost among all the "I didn't get my snowglobe fast enough so now I hate the show forever" and other superficial complaints. The whole let's have the fans be the TV show producer essentially was an ambitious idea that has never been done before. The fact that it didn't work isn't this horrible disaster that caused so much irreparable damage. Certain people "should really just relax" The only thing that bothers me is that they had only chance to riff certain movies like The Mask or The Bubble and they didn't make it count. Movies like Demon Squad were acceptable losses because those movies were just bad for riffing, i'd be happy having the learning mistakes being made with movies like those. But you cant fumble with Battle Beyond the Stars. I honestly thought the idea of trying to crowdfund every new season was a bad idea from the get go. I call it a sour note, because I just didn’t think it was a very good season overall, with more episodes I didn’t enjoy than ones I did. As unfortunate as the whole Netflix thing was, I was at least more happy with the overall product (well for the most part, I certainly had some issues with season 12). It was more of a dissatisfaction as a fan and a backer this time round. honestly I thought The Mask was one of the highlights of season 13, and one of only a very small selection I’d welcome into watching in my regular circulation. Honestly if there were more episodes to that standard, I actually might have backed season 14.
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Post by kracker on Jan 5, 2024 14:26:46 GMT -5
Well we didn't know for sure whether they were going to crowdfunded every season going forward, we thought people would just be reupping subscriptions. Its easy to say that now but when it was officially announced they were doing it and with the higher price tag, no one could see how that was going to happen.
Problem with The Mask I liked it instead of loving it, Demon Squad was obviously going to be dud with what that movie gave them to work with but The Mask was throwing them a softball that should have been a home run.
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Post by slainmonkey on Jan 5, 2024 14:35:48 GMT -5
Well we didn't know for sure whether they were going to crowdfunded every season going forward, we thought people would just be reupping subscriptions. Its easy to say that now but when it was officially announced they were doing it and with the higher price tag, no one could see how that was going to happen. Problem with The Mask I liked it instead of loving it, Demon Squad was obviously going to be dud with what that movie gave them to work with but The Mask was throwing them a softball that should have been a home run. I can’t be too angry at The Mask, good choice of a movie, and solid riffing (something I found in short supply this season), and even the 3D thing was a rare instance of a gimmick that was enjoyable. Given my dislike for most of season 13, I’ll take what joy I can get.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Feb 5, 2024 9:25:40 GMT -5
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Post by BoB3K on Feb 5, 2024 12:59:52 GMT -5
I like the far-reaching and obscure riffs, but lack thereof is not what broke the new show, it's the tone. There are tons of just watching the movie riffs in the original and they make up most of my favorites. You could have a whole episode without a pop culture or esoteric reference and still have a great episode if the jokes are smartly written and well delivered.
So, I guess this still goes back to the writers room. But I'll throw in the acting too. Trace Beaulieu is one hell of a comedic performer.
...Oh, and there are quite a few replies to that post. I would say the spread is
80% don't like nuMST3k 10% okay with it 10% supporting/defending it
I'm really surprised how much has come out during this last crowdfunder.
Although I also wonder if what really is happening is us inside the bubble people who love or hate nuMST3K are seeing the broader reaction to it and it turns out the wider response to nuMST3K is much more lukewarm, and the response to the DIY multi-host season has been downright negative.
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Post by kracker on Feb 5, 2024 16:28:57 GMT -5
I'll say this: tone is what matters. old-MST3K had its own problem with topical culture references that don't hold up. I remember when I first watched MST3K with The Brain That Wouldn't Die and I heard jokes like "We now join Barefoot in the Park already in progress", I had no idea what that was but Mike had me laughing anyway because he knows how to deliver the joke so everyone gets it.
Also using a Twitter thread as a poll isn't exactly scientific, because you're polling among people who are silly enough to argue or pile on about how who's set of cultural references are better rather than doing the smart thing that Tim should have done and just ignore such an ironically dumb and non-self aware comment. Also it's the toxic dumpster fire that Twitter has become. But hey, whatever strokes the ol confirmation bias.
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