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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Apr 9, 2007 2:46:36 GMT -5
BTW, I just emailed Chris from Satellite News reguarding Bill Rebane, and he told me that Rhino said Giant Spider Invasion is not the reason Vol. 10 got pulled. They didn't say which one, but it does bring us back to Godzilla Vs. Megalon. So, wait, Satellite News knows why the set was pulled and, for some reason, they won't/can't tell us? I'm sure there's a legal reason for it, but that's still bullpoop!e.
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Post by lstcaz on Apr 9, 2007 2:52:02 GMT -5
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Post by mst3ktemple on Apr 9, 2007 13:07:03 GMT -5
No problem at all Van Hagar. Any one can use my pictures. I just like seeing where they are being used. Kind of fun to see new links.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Apr 9, 2007 14:32:05 GMT -5
On some of the things that Warner owns being "Very Likely" I'm not quite sure. I mean I don't think it's that simple. Look at the Sci-Fi Channel, they were owned by Universal, but they couldn't show Universal episodes of MST3K by 1999 alone. It's not that simple I think.
Also for whatever it's worth, I think FVI/INI directly held ALL rights to City Limits, which is why there was no changed title or credits (remember, they did the typical blurry FVI opening, but only did freeze frames of the opening scene).
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Apr 9, 2007 20:10:48 GMT -5
Since I’ve been boning up on FVI, (huh huh "bone") I think I have some clues on a couple of the head scratchers.
First is Stranded in Space, which was produced by Bing Crosby Productions. The remnants of their library doesn’t seem to be held by anyone person as Hogan’s Heroes was released on DVD by Paramount, but WEA Corp. put Walking Tall on DVD most recently. Interestingly, Rhino originally released Walking Tall on DVD in 1998, which is a year after a VHS version of this episode was suppose to come out. I’m guessing no one holds the video rights to this, because it was a failed TV pilot, most notable for it’s appearance on MST3K, and Bing Crosby’s library looks to be licenced piece by piece, not in bulk. It’s probable either FVI or Crosby holds the rights, with nothing having been licenced to DVD, so I’d say likely since Rhino has had a good relationship with both in the past.
Then we have City Limits which I would put as likely, because it’s owned by whoever holds the FVI/INI library. (This is probably why the titles were never changed) So is Cave Dwellers and Pod People, because the latter was released in 1990 by FVI for theaters (it's POSSIBLE, that FVI only licenced it, but I think whoever holds Pod People and Cave Dwellers, they hold them together, which is why they were released on Volume 2 together), and Pod People was a 1983 FVI production. City Limits was a production of FVI, but in the credits they’re billed as The City Limit Venture. This is probably because of FVI going bankrupt that year, and they didn’t want to bring the movie down because of it. (It already had enough troubles as it was)
For Being From Another Planet I honestly have no real clue. Here is what I know: All versions here have been called Time Walker. A VHS was released sometime in 1986 by Charter Entertainment. On September 29, 1990 Nelson Entertainment released it on VHS. Nelson Entertainment released many of the same films that Charter did. So INI/FVI probably only had TV rights to the film, since 1990-1991 was when FVI had most of it's activity, plus that’s how INI got started. Then the FVI version was shown on MST3K, then every version of this movie disappeared after 1996. It’s possibly INI/FVI could somehow still hold the total rights, but I doubt it. Whoever holds it, is sitting on it, so I’d say it was likely if Rhino could find them, unless the director holds the rights for some reason, in which case his creation must be protected from robots.
The Master pretty much hinges on whether it's public domain or not.
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Post by travis on Apr 10, 2007 8:02:53 GMT -5
On some of the things that Warner owns being "Very Likely" I'm not quite sure. I mean I don't think it's that simple. Look at the Sci-Fi Channel, they were owned by Universal, but they couldn't show Universal episodes of MST3K by 1999 alone. It's not that simple I think. As I recall, Universal didn't buy the USA Network/SciFi Channel until after MST3k went off the air. Scifi had the Universal library before, which then looked like it switched to AMC (who showed a crapload of them on one of their MonsterFests). Since I’ve been boning up on FVI, (huh huh "bone") I think I have some clues on a couple of the head scratchers. First is Stranded in Space, which was produced by Bing Crosby Productions. The remnants of their library doesn’t seem to be held by anyone person as Hogan’s Heroes was released on DVD by Paramount, but WEA Corp. put Walking Tall on DVD most recently. Interestingly, Rhino originally released Walking Tall on DVD in 1998, which is a year after a VHS version of this episode was suppose to come out. I’m guessing no one holds the video rights to this, because it was a failed TV pilot, most notable for it’s appearance on MST3K, and Bing Crosby’s library looks to be licenced piece by piece, not in bulk. It’s probable either FVI or Crosby holds the rights, with nothing having been licenced to DVD, so I’d say likely since Rhino has had a good relationship with both in the past. I'll update it to include that. It's such an obscure little title, I think the most difficult part of obtaining it would be to find out who owns it. For Being From Another Planet I honestly have no real clue. Here is what I know: All versions here have been called Time Walker. A VHS was released sometime in 1986 by Charter Entertainment. On September 29, 1990 Nelson Entertainment released it on VHS. Nelson Entertainment released many of the same films that Charter did. So INI/FVI probably only had TV rights to the film, since 1990-1991 was when FVI had most of it's activity, plus that’s how INI got started. Then the FVI version was shown on MST3K, then every version of this movie disappeared after 1996. It’s possibly INI/FVI could somehow still hold the total rights, but I doubt it. Whoever holds it, is sitting on it, so I’d say it was likely if Rhino could find them, unless the director holds the rights for some reason, in which case his creation must be protected from robots. Yeah, I have a copy of that VHS. When I looked up any info on copyrights, usually FVI/INI just claims the "new" material (their silly title sequences). However, the only copyright I found for Being from Another Planet is the BBI one.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Apr 10, 2007 11:42:41 GMT -5
On some of the things that Warner owns being "Very Likely" I'm not quite sure. I mean I don't think it's that simple. Look at the Sci-Fi Channel, they were owned by Universal, but they couldn't show Universal episodes of MST3K by 1999 alone. It's not that simple I think. As I recall, Universal didn't buy the USA Network/SciFi Channel until after MST3k went off the air. It originally wasn't held completely by Universal, but kinda. At first it was 50/50 with Paramount and MCA (the owner of Universal at the time) in 1994. In 1995 a company named Seagram bought MCA. In 1997 Seagram bought out Paramount's shares to gain total control of the networks. In 1998, Seagram shold SciFi along with other networks to Barry Diller who formed the USA Networks Inc. In 2002, SciFi (and the USA Networks) was sold back to Universal, but it's parent company was Vivendi at that time. So we were both kind of right. When MST3K started it was owned by Universal (which might explain why most Universal movies came during the first season). But all of that doesn't matter. Just because Time Warner owns both Warner Brothers and Rhino, doesn't mean Rhino can licence the video easily. They have to licence that from that division, and just because they're owned by the same parent doesn't mean it will be cheap. From all accounts Time Warner always works against itself. Their divisions aren't considered family, but competition. So I'd bring it down a couple of notches. If Mitchell isn't PD, then they have licenced stuff before, but it's an insanely popular and important episode. Season one is something that even the creators think is less than stellar.
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Post by Skyroniter on Apr 16, 2007 12:39:33 GMT -5
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Post by jetjaguar15 on Apr 16, 2007 12:49:31 GMT -5
Now that's interesting. I wonder if this will make it harder for Rhino to release Warner's movies that were featured in episodes?
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Post by XerxesTheCat on Apr 16, 2007 17:44:45 GMT -5
Ryko? Never heard of them. Are they owned by some bigger company?
Rhino clearly was not thinking about MST3K when they made this transition.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Apr 17, 2007 8:02:38 GMT -5
Now that's interesting. I wonder if this will make it harder for Rhino to release Warner's movies that were featured in episodes? It shouldn't. (but as I said before, I don't think they're that easy to get) They're changing distributors, which either means they'll get a wider or smaller reach. Rhino is still producing the DVDs, and still owned by Time-Warner.
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Post by travis on Apr 17, 2007 8:35:29 GMT -5
That's interesting about Rhino getting a new distributor. I doubt it will affect MST3k at all though.
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Post by samtaco on Apr 21, 2007 17:05:29 GMT -5
Hey Travis, do have any clue why Volume 9 is out of print?
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Apr 22, 2007 23:48:10 GMT -5
I'm not travis, but I'm going to guess it has something to do with 812. The director threatened to sue when the show first aired, so they only replayed it once on TV. However the rights are held by the Peter Rodgers' Organization, and it's possible they thought everything blew over.
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Post by travis on May 22, 2007 13:45:15 GMT -5
I'm not travis, but I'm going to guess it has something to do with 812. The director threatened to sue when the show first aired, so they only replayed it once on TV. However the rights are held by the Peter Rodgers' Organization, and it's possible they thought everything blew over. PRO never got back to me on whether they also owned the video rights (in addition to the TV rights) to the titles listed on their site. If it had to with Incredibly Strange Creatures, then another possibility might be whoever licensed the movie to Media Blasters may have had a problem with them sub-licensing it to Rhino. As long as the licensing was legit, then I doubt Steckler could do anything about it. And for an aside: I found City Limits listed on NetFlix... but I couldn't find out what company put it out. Doubt it's from any credible company though.
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