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Post by samtaco on Jun 10, 2007 17:51:55 GMT -5
I recently got a couple of them 50 movie pack and saw that it has some mst3k movies.
Here's a list of the movies Rhino has yet to release from the 50 movie packs:
Track of the Moon Beast Hercules and the Captive Women The Corpse Vanishes Beast of Yucca Flats The Screaming Skull The Giant Gilla Monster The Mad Monster
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Post by travis on Jun 26, 2007 5:36:45 GMT -5
Two Updates: The first, I finally have solid confirmation as to why Vol. 10 went out of print: tinyurl.com/ypkaukOf course it's not surprising, but does prove I was right. The second: MGM will be releasing IT LIVES BY NIGHT on DVD (under the title THE BAT PEOPLE) this fall. So we can forget about seeing a Rhino release.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Jun 27, 2007 19:56:52 GMT -5
I'm still a bit confused. I thought GoodTimes sold the movie rights to Kyrpton, which wasn't approved by Toho, which was the big huff in this case. Is Elvin Felter the owner of GoodTimes or does GoodTimes have nothing to do with it, and Toho is not happy with it being on MST3K? If that's the case how did it make it to TV in 1991, and lasted with subsiquent reruns well into 1996?
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Post by Diet Kolos on Jun 27, 2007 19:58:16 GMT -5
MGM will be releasing IT LIVES BY NIGHT on DVD (under the title THE BAT PEOPLE) this fall. So we can forget about seeing a Rhino release. Not a huge loss. Really one of the weaker epidodes of Season 10.
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Post by travis on Jun 28, 2007 18:09:30 GMT -5
I'm still a bit confused. I thought GoodTimes sold the movie rights to Kyrpton, which wasn't approved by Toho, which was the big huff in this case. That was the theory I had - that Krypton had purchased the rights from Goodtimes/Gaiem, but Toho didn't approve of it or something like that. Is Elvin Felter the owner of GoodTimes or does GoodTimes have nothing to do with it, and Toho is not happy with it being on MST3K? Elvin Felter is the owner of Krypton International. If that's the case how did it make it to TV in 1991, and lasted with subsiquent reruns well into 1996? MEGALON was assumed public domain for many years, and this was before Toho had the control over their properties they have now. Comedy Central might have gotten the TV rights from whoever had them from 1991-1996, but more likely assumed it was just public domain. I don't know if Toho knew about the movie being used on MST3k back then or not. SEA MONSTER was non-legit too... you can see why BBI let CC handle securing the movie titles. heh. Another update - I didn't realise THE BRUTE MAN had been released on DVD by Image Entertainment. Couldn't read the copyright credit on the back, so I don't know 100% who they licensed it from.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Jun 30, 2007 21:29:44 GMT -5
What's the deal with Sea Monster anyway? I know on Wikipedia it said FVI obtained it illegally, but doesn't cite a source or go into anymore detail? Also that lasted with reruns well into 1996. Wasn't it 1995 that Toho got better control of the Godzilla movies?
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Post by XerxesTheCat on Jun 30, 2007 22:40:27 GMT -5
Can we just safely say that Toho themselves doesn't know WHAT they own and what they DON'T own? I figure they're thinking is, "If it's Godzilla, we must own it in some way."
Hell, Jerry Beck once said months ago on his website that Paramount/Viacom had no clue they owned Harveytoons. That's why Harveytoons didn't get a proper DVD release until just recently.
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Post by travis on Jul 3, 2007 17:12:35 GMT -5
What's the deal with Sea Monster anyway? I know on Wikipedia it said FVI obtained it illegally, but doesn't cite a source or go into anymore detail? Also that lasted with reruns well into 1996. Wasn't it 1995 that Toho got better control of the Godzilla movies? Again, it's very possible Toho a) didn't notice SEA MONSTER and MEGALON on MST3k [which wasn't exactly the most mainstream show] or b) did notice, but could not do anything about it for one reason or another. I don't have all the answers unfortunately, but it doesn't really matter now. We have our fan-copies of SEA MONSTER to enjoy, and I know I'd be willing to make copies of the Rhino MEGALON disc to fans who didn't have the chance to buy Vol 10. Can we just safely say that Toho themselves doesn't know WHAT they own and what they DON'T own? I figure they're thinking is, "If it's Godzilla, we must own it in some way." For the most part Toho does know what they own.
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Post by Hoss Ragen on Jul 3, 2007 20:20:20 GMT -5
I don't know if it's worth mentioning, and maybe that's a good thing since its an episode that already has a short on a Rhino DVD, but I don't think Radar Secret Service would appear on a future volume. I hear that there are Adele Jergens fans at UCLA (their film archive team also managed to preserve the WW2 era Sherlock Holmes talkies) who are planning to archive and compile her entire film career. Judging that the Mystery Science crew said they had problems with RSS rights in the Episode Guide almost 10 years ago, I don't doubt this is the case.
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Post by travis on Jul 3, 2007 21:50:47 GMT -5
I don't know if it's worth mentioning, and maybe that's a good thing since its an episode that already has a short on a Rhino DVD, but I don't think Radar Secret Service would appear on a future volume. I hear that there are Adele Jergens fans at UCLA (their film archive team also managed to preserve the WW2 era Sherlock Holmes talkies) who are planning to archive and compile her entire film career. Judging that the Mystery Science crew said they had problems with RSS rights in the Episode Guide almost 10 years ago, I don't doubt this is the case. Thanks for the info. I still think there's a chance depending on who has the rights (all it is is a sublicense afterall).
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Post by Satan's Jockstrap on Jul 5, 2007 8:23:00 GMT -5
MGM will be releasing IT LIVES BY NIGHT on DVD (under the title THE BAT PEOPLE) this fall. So we can forget about seeing a Rhino release. But who's going to buy it? At least as an MST3K release it would be guaranteed to sell. The "business sense" of some of these "rights holders" seems so self-defeating. They have a product MST fans WILL purchase, so why not exploit it commercially to the fullest? It's nothing personal, it's just business.
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Post by GProopdog on Jul 5, 2007 9:36:01 GMT -5
I'm guessing these rights holders would rather people not buy the movie to see it mocked, but buy it to actually watch the Un-Misted version fully.
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Post by Satan's Jockstrap on Jul 5, 2007 14:13:02 GMT -5
I'm guessing these rights holders would rather people not buy the movie to see it mocked, but buy it to actually watch the Un-Misted version fully. Well they haven't prevented anybody from seeing the MST versions thanks to P2P, DAP, and tape traders. They're only preventing themselves from commercially exploiting their own property. Plus, MST is a fantastic way to get exposure for these films.
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Post by travis on Jul 5, 2007 16:29:26 GMT -5
MGM will be releasing IT LIVES BY NIGHT on DVD (under the title THE BAT PEOPLE) this fall. So we can forget about seeing a Rhino release. But who's going to buy it? At least as an MST3K release it would be guaranteed to sell. The "business sense" of some of these "rights holders" seems so self-defeating. They have a product MST fans WILL purchase, so why not exploit it commercially to the fullest? It's nothing personal, it's just business. Oh I totally agree. It's all well and good if they want to put out... say... SQUIRM, DANGER DIABOLICK, VILLAGE OF THE GIANTS, etc... but why not be open to Rhino paying a reasonable fee to release the MST3k versions? I imagine Rhino hasn't tried to go to MGM, Sony or Universal to even attempt to negotiate some of their films. It's amazing Comedy Central/SciFi Channel was able to secure the TV rights to some of these films used in the first place. Video rights are a whole other story, and really cut down the list of episodes available Rhino could license. And many of the titles BBI picked would have continued to be very obscure or "lost" if not used on MST3k. It certainly is good exposure for movies that otherwise may not make the studio much money on their own. I'm guessing these rights holders would rather people not buy the movie to see it mocked, but buy it to actually watch the Un-Misted version fully. Also they may want to keep the profits all to themselves, or that an MST3k-version release would be "flooding the market". In some cases I think the MST3k versions would sell more, and if these companies let Rhino put out the MST3k versions of their movies.. it wouldn't hurt their sales.
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Post by Don Quixote on Jul 5, 2007 18:50:20 GMT -5
Isn't 'Radar Secret Service' public domain now?
I'd like to see that sometime soon.
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