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Post by CBG on Dec 10, 2005 11:12:53 GMT -5
Dear Decisi8ns: Please send us all of your dirty old money. We will exchange it with our fresh clean money, and send it back to you...promise. -Rhino.
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Post by Decisi8ns on Dec 10, 2005 14:14:49 GMT -5
Dear Decisi8ns: Please send us all of your dirty old money. We will exchange it with our fresh clean money, and send it back to you...promise. -Rhino. I wouldn't be surprised to get an Email like that from those guys...They probably need the extra cash for the holidays.
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Post by In_Stereo on Dec 10, 2005 16:46:51 GMT -5
I'm going to echo something Change said a long time ago, but I'll explain the logic behind it first. I'm going to say a lot we already know so you can see exactly where I'm coming from. Stay with me.
Take, for example, Vol. 7. That's 407, 408, 410, and 816. I have never seen any of the first three before, so I am about to buy the set when it comes out that there's an error with the 407 disk. Traders will not offer copies of this ep, so I would be, in effect, stuck with Rhino's subpar disk. However, and this is the crucial part, I will still buy the set, because I have not seen 408 and 410.
Now, the logic behind traders not trading Rhino eps is that BBI wouldn't get their money for the episodes. So let us assume hypothetically that this ban is lifted and we'll watch what happens.
I have bought my box set, complete with botched disk. Again, I have already paid BBI for the set. Now that the ban on trading Rhino eps is lifted, I will include this ep in a future trade request. I get my tapes, along with 407, which I have already paid BBI for, and I can throw the crappy Rhino disk out. I gave BBI their money before I even started talking about getting 407 from somewhere else.
Therefore, I personally see nothing wrong with reopening trade of episodes that have been screwed up by Rhino (except 407, which they are slowly but surely correcting). Or, as I suggested awhile back (and was supported by jixbyphillips), how about a tape of all the material Rhino left out of all its botched eps? Anyone with me here?
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Post by ChrisDalek on Dec 10, 2005 19:13:55 GMT -5
Or use my idea. Whatever it was, I can't remember now...
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Post by Don Quixote on Dec 11, 2005 1:07:34 GMT -5
Or use my idea. Whatever it was, I can't remember now... Was it: "Everybody in America send DonQuixote $500"?
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Post by Da Worm Fizzle on Dec 11, 2005 2:27:20 GMT -5
I think it involved Rhino getting better copies from traders instead of BBI, or something like that.
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Post by Prisoner416 on Dec 11, 2005 13:32:01 GMT -5
... not surprised. Looks like holding off on buying the set paid off.
The hell with Rhino at this point. I'm sticking with Cheepnis.
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Post by ern2150 on Dec 11, 2005 16:05:44 GMT -5
Yo. I'm a Doctor Who fan, and my fandom became enriched immensely once I discovered MST3K on The Comedy Channel in '90. Watching grainy PBS repeats that I'd seen tons of times suddenly had a fun new game. Anyway. Doctor Who has the benefit of extremely technical fans who are old enough to hold down jobs doing what they love, namely preserving the show with technology. In fact, a few fans grew up to become the official archivists and restorers of this material known as "The Restoration Team." Anyway -- check out my question to them about these DVD issues: www.rtforum.co.uk/read.php?id=134646 There's already been a reply from the head honcho there: www.rtforum.co.uk/read.php?id=134647And please, if you choose to post there make sure to use, if not your real name, a real-sounding name. They're sticklers about that (which is why they also print out your IP in your post, so beware.) Anyway it sounds like this would have been an easy enough thing to fix, if Rhino chose to do so. It sounds like they're sending mixed messages (mst3kinfo getting the word that it's not fixable, but rhino itself sending generic dvd-replacement responses to inquiring fans) so who knows what they'll do next. I, however, know exactly what I'll be doing next, which is NetFlix-ing any future MST3K release to decide whether it's worth the $60...
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Post by Decisi8ns on Dec 19, 2005 18:14:21 GMT -5
I just thought of this, and maybe you guys can see my point of view:
If Rhino is telling us that the glitches are from the original transfer, how come the glitches are seen on the silhouette of Mike and the Bots and are also seen on the ending credits?
I'm not a video expert, but wouldn't the glitches only be on the movie "The Dead Talk Back" and nowhere else? The silhouette shouldn't have the glitches on it (since it's not part of the older film) and the ending credits shouldn't have them either.
Anyone agree? Or am I wrong?
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Post by Udvarnoky on Dec 19, 2005 18:22:33 GMT -5
They said the glitches came from the original master tapes. As in the MST3K tapes. So no, it wouldn't be weird that they affect the shadowrama and the host segments. The film shown and the episode are not handled separately. I don't think that's even possible.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Dec 19, 2005 21:34:05 GMT -5
Yeah. I'm always puzzled when I read reviews of Rhino releases that say: "They could have cleaned up those old movies a bit better." What? The film print for the movie in question isn't even a factor.
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Post by Decisi8ns on Dec 20, 2005 2:33:38 GMT -5
So I guess once these are off the air, they just slowly destroy themselves (The tapes that is)? I wish I could of seen this episode when it was on the air, just to see what the quality of the film/tape was.
It's not like this was sitting in a room for 20 years, you would think that Rhino would have some sort of connection with the Sci-Fi channel or Comedy Central and use those prints.
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Post by Cubby on Dec 20, 2005 11:23:50 GMT -5
Um, just so you know, the tape masters come from Best Brains. Comedy Central and Sci-Fi aren't involved in this.
They may have nicer copies, but who knows?
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Post by mightyjack on Dec 21, 2005 0:51:40 GMT -5
Yeah that's never been an issue with me, the old crappy movie print was part of the shows charm - they even made some nice riffs about them. When it cuts into the shadowrama - the MST episode shows pixilation etc, that's bothersome.
And Cubby, DVD sets are often created from several sources, the producers as well as the networks. It sounds like Rhino is culling their releases exclusively from the BBI source - but they could reach out to other sources if the BBI copy they have is deteriorated (or in the case of Atomic Brain - splicing in the stinger when they released it to DVD -knowing ahead of time from the VHS release that it was missing)
Barb once told me that Rhino has everything. I was inquiring about extras but I wonder if they are storing full episodes as well?
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Post by Udvarnoky on Dec 21, 2005 12:10:45 GMT -5
Plus, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't they use tape copies of those movies to begin with? You know when you see those making of segments, they're making the jokes in front of a tape with a timecode, and that's what they project on the blue screen. I don't think BBI ever used an actual film reel of any of the movies that were shown.
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