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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 5, 2007 18:29:42 GMT -5
I've missed a bit of the debating. But here's my opinion: We're the consumers. We can down talk Rhino all we want, and in fact, if they're not making a product good for us, we should stop buying it. I've been watching all Rhino episode lately (since I've been review them here, for a cheap plug), and I've been noticing that Rhino has been noticably slacking more and more with each release. If you watch the episodes in order of release, you'll see what I mean. The facts are they've had poor quality. They make me pay $20 for a DVD and $60 for a box set (in stores), with one episode for disc. They're far overpriced for what they give, maybe if they had more extras and kept up in quality. It's a shame everything went downhill after Eegah. I'll let go the entire right thing, that's a complicated matter, though I think they are missing some no brainers ( Santa Claus). My opinion is if you're tired of Rhino Bashing- Shut up and leave. If you're tired of Rhino Praising- Shut up and leave. That's what I did for a while.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Mar 5, 2007 20:37:06 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd probably consider not buying certain Rhino releases, but I'm a completist. It's obviously against fan etiquette to buy a Rhino episode from a fan dealer. In other words, if I want an episode that Rhino's done a shoddy job on, I really don't have a choice but to pay them for it. Otherwise, I will never own a copy of it, unless Rhino either loses the rights or fixes the problems.
Anyway, I'm just saying that I agree with you in theory, but it just doesn't work for me in actuality. And yeah, Rhino could probably be doing a hell of a lot more for $60 a set.
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Post by lstcaz on Mar 6, 2007 8:06:04 GMT -5
I've missed a bit of the debating. But here's my opinion: We're the consumers. We can down talk Rhino all we want, and in fact, if they're not making a product good for us, we should stop buying it. I've been watching all Rhino episode lately (since I've been review them here, for a cheap plug), and I've been noticing that Rhino has been noticably slacking more and more with each release. If you watch the episodes in order of release, you'll see what I mean. The facts are they've had poor quality. They make me pay $20 for a DVD and $60 for a box set (in stores), with one episode for disc. They're far overpriced for what they give, maybe if they had more extras and kept up in quality. It's a shame everything went downhill after Eegah. I'll let go the entire right thing, that's a complicated matter, though I think they are missing some no brainers ( Santa Claus). My opinion is if you're tired of Rhino Bashing- Shut up and leave. If you're tired of Rhino Praising- Shut up and leave. That's what I did for a while. They certainly should have continued to include the unmsted movie like the early releases.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Mar 6, 2007 9:06:36 GMT -5
It might be that they don't have the rights to do so. Acquiring the rights to release a MSTied version of a movie and acquiring the rights to release the movie itself are likely two different things.
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Post by beljah on Mar 6, 2007 9:55:45 GMT -5
I used to think having the unMSTied version included was a good idea, unitl I came to the realization that I never watch it because, well, life's too short for that. I do miss the outtakes from the show. I watched that when I watched "Sidehackers" last night and it's a revelation to see how involved Kevin was in the production side of it.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Mar 6, 2007 16:19:27 GMT -5
I never wanted the unMSTed versions, so I'm glad they stopped. I can't think of any scenario where I'd want to watch an uncut, unMSTed MST3K movie, unless the MSTed version was very heavily cut down and I was interested in seeing what was missing.
It bothers me to no end, when cinema "buffs" quite seriously complain about Rhino no longer including them. If you want the movies so bad, go buy the movies. I don't know about them, but I'm paying for the MST episode, and I'm not interested in a "bonus" that I will never want. (I'm not directing this at you, lstcaz. I'm thinking back to completely different instances.) I appreciate Rhino's efforts, but I think they would do better to focus on stuff like the Poopie Tapes and the video Jukebox sorts of extras... extras that are actually related to the show and not the movie.
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Post by MSTie500 on Mar 6, 2007 16:22:03 GMT -5
I totally agree. I never wanted the ability to watch these trainwrecks because I could be doing a million more productive things. The Poopie Tapes and the Jukebox are definitly steps in the right direction, which is part of the reason I think Vol. 10 is one of the best yet.
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Post by lstcaz on Mar 6, 2007 16:30:46 GMT -5
Thats why I like to watch the unmsted version, to see what was cut and what they talked over. But since people disagreed with me I'm leaving and never coming back . Any way since this has became the rhino suggestion thread. How about going back to individual episodes instead of sets. Solves so many problems.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2007 17:57:20 GMT -5
It might be that they don't have the rights to do so. Acquiring the rights to release a MSTied version of a movie and acquiring the rights to release the movie itself are likely two different things. I agree here, I can't fault them for that. But the complete lack of special features on some DVDs is not something I like as a consumer. Some of them I think are PD which makes me wonder why no uncut version (i.e. Manos).
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Post by jjb3k on Mar 6, 2007 18:37:21 GMT -5
Some of them I think are PD which makes me wonder why no uncut version (i.e. Manos). Two things: 1. The uncut version of Manos features the scene that the Brains cut out where the Master beats his first wife to death. Perhaps BBI didn't want consumers to see that. 2. Would you really want to see Manos unMSTed?
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Mar 6, 2007 19:46:08 GMT -5
Thats why I like to watch the unmsted version, to see what was cut and what they talked over. But since people disagreed with me I'm leaving and never coming back . Any way since this has became the rhino suggestion thread. How about going back to individual episodes instead of sets. Solves so many problems. I think that should definitely be done for episodes like The Unearthly and The Atomic Brain - since they lost the rights to Sidehackers and, thus, can't sell Volume 3, those two episodes are stuck in limbo. Releasing a two-episode set, a la The Essentials, would solve the problem perfectly, not forcing older fans to double dip. The same goes for Volume 10's non-offending episodes (assuming there are any). Sadly, it seems like they've abandoned the concept of releasing fewer than 4 episodes at a time.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 6, 2007 20:39:27 GMT -5
Some of them I think are PD which makes me wonder why no uncut version (i.e. Manos). Two things: 1. The uncut version of Manos features the scene that the Brains cut out where the Master beats his first wife to death. Perhaps BBI didn't want consumers to see that. 2. Would you really want to see Manos unMSTed? I guess the first thing makes sense. I wouldn't mind having Manos unMSTed as I'm sure other people wouldn't mind.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 6, 2007 21:20:34 GMT -5
But the complete lack of special features on some DVDs is not something I like as a consumer. Some of them I think are PD which makes me wonder why no uncut version (i.e. Manos). I think I know why they don't put the unMSTed movie on, even if they have the rights. They're cheap. They would have to use a double layer DVD,as in the early releases. They just want to cut cost and make as much profit as possible.
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Post by jjb3k on Mar 6, 2007 23:46:08 GMT -5
But the complete lack of special features on some DVDs is not something I like as a consumer. Some of them I think are PD which makes me wonder why no uncut version (i.e. Manos). I think I know why they don't put the unMSTed movie on, even if they have the rights. They're cheap. They would have to use a double layer DVD,as in the early releases. They just want to cut cost and make as much profit as possible. Au contraire. They fit the unMSTed versions of Eegah and The Wild World of Batwoman onto one-sided discs with no loss in video quality, so there's really no reason why they couldn't do the same for the other releases. I've heard somewhere that DVDs can store up to six hours of video footage. If the average episode of MST3K is 90 minutes long, and the unMSTed movie is between 75-100 minutes long, that's only 165-190 minutes out of an available 360. You're telling me that Rhino can't put two movies on a single-sided disc? (This is also upsetting when you think about the fact that they could fit around three MST3K episodes onto one disc if they wanted to, yet they continue to stick with one - though the rights would still be an issue, we could be getting 12 episodes per box set instead of 4.)
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 6, 2007 23:52:05 GMT -5
Au contraire. They fit the unMSTed versions of Eegah and The Wild World of Batwoman onto one-sided discs with no loss in video quality, so there's really no reason why they couldn't do the same for the other releases. Au contraire. I didn't say single sided. I said double layer. A single sided DVD can be single layer or double layer. A double layer disc can hold twice the data and costs more. The early Rhinos are double layer. The later ones are single layer.
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